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Discussion: Only two Black women in the top ten this entire decade?
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Santigold? R&B? Dear God. Not even close.
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Originally posted by Evun
No one. I can't think of any successful Asian American female popstars, ever.
I may be forgetting someone, though.
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How many Asian Americans have tried to breakthrough in the U.S., though? We have literally none because we have none trying to seep through the cracks. But remember, Ameriie is also part Korean, so she kinda counts.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I don't think it's racism there. I think her company and her are purposely using that to her advantage. If people want to give her awards and open up her fanbase, why not take it? If it wasn't for Diamonds charting on R&B, which helped spur airplay, the song might not have reached #1 on The Hot 100.
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She shouldn't be getting awards from a category of music she's not making. That's a huge slap in the face to the female R&B artists that are actually making R&B music.
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Originally posted by atrlster
I know, but you mentioned Janelle in the opening post. Just mentioning some other features there
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Read the opening post again. I said NOT counting features like Janelle on We Are Young or Bey on Telephone.
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Originally posted by Xalric
Well this decade started only two year ago
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But two years into the previous decade, Christina, Mariah, Janet, J.Lo, Aaliyah, Mary J., Destiny's Child, and Alicia Keys all had #1s. And there are probably more, that's just what I can think of off the top of my head.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I did say women of color, to open the discussion up.
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but your tittle says black women...
please clear this confussion...tittle change would be good...
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
I'm confused about why Rihanna wouldn't be partly considered R&B? I mean lots of her songs are R&B, over half of the past two albums have been R&B based?
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I'd say her songs are more urban-based, not R&B.
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Originally posted by skyler
well hopefully 2Ne1 can change that
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Yes. Let us all anxiously prepare ourselves for that.
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Rihanna's music is more "Urban" than R&B to me if that makes sense. Sure, she has a lot of R&B songs, but she always was more on the Pop side. She had Urban appeal mostly because of her Island flare that made her different from your regular Pop artist, her affiliation with Jay+Hip-Hop, her race (it played a factor), and her image was Urban but she was still a Pop artist.
It's true, award shows only nominate Rihanna for R&B categories because she's black. If anything Adele should be nominated for R&B categories over Rihanna
Island Urban Rih>>Pop Rih (just putting that out there )
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Rihanna is obviously mostly pop, but majority of her music has always been rooted in urban culture. So I guess it's more of people assuming urban = R&B.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Read the opening post again. I said NOT counting features like Janelle on We Are Young or Bey on Telephone.
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I know what you said. Just pointing out that there other features besides Janelle
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Originally posted by Lose My Breath
I'm confused about why Rihanna wouldn't be partly considered R&B? I mean lots of her songs are R&B, over half of the past two albums have been R&B based?
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LOUD won best soul/R&B album at the american music awards. Now somebody tell me how that album is more R&B then pop.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I say Black women because I'm BLACK. That's how I refer to myself, and that's appropriate.
And Rihanna (one of the two, it should be obvious) is not African-American. Neither, technically, is Nicki. So, two of your "complaints" go out the window.
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I love it when people go after the term "black"
But it's very different in us/uk obviously
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Rihanna's music is more "Urban" than R&B to me if that makes sense. Sure, she has a lot of R&B songs, but she always was more on the Pop side. She had Urban appeal mostly because of her Island flare that made her different from your regular Pop artist, her affiliation with Jay+Hip-Hop, her race (it played a factor), and her image was Urban but she was still a Pop artist.
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I agree with that, it's more a pop/hip hop thing than "R&B"
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
I say Black women because I'm BLACK. That's how I refer to myself, and that's appropriate.
And Rihanna (one of the two, it should be obvious) is not African-American. Neither, technically, is Nicki. So, two of your "complaints" go out the window.
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well if youre talking about black women then dont include jlo and demi...
hey rihanna is obvious but the other one not really...
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Originally posted by fortheloveofmusic
Rihanna's music is more "Urban" than R&B to me if that makes sense. Sure, she has a lot of R&B songs, but she always was more on the Pop side. She had Urban appeal mostly because of her Island flare that made her different from your regular Pop artist, her affiliation with Jay+Hip-Hop, her race (it played a factor), and her image was Urban but she was still a Pop artist.
It's true, award shows only nominate Rihanna for R&B categories because she's black. If anything Adele should be nominated for R&B categories over Rihanna
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Rihanna's albums are R&B mostly though, with the exception of Loud and GGB. Even those had R&B falvored songs as well... Adele is not R&B at all, she is pop-folk-funk
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
How are Black women (and, for that matter, Asians and Latinas) not a bigger part of pop music?
Could a black girl ever have done a Call Me Maybe? If she did, would it have exploded? Would the label have even bothered?
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Rihanna could've did it!
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Originally posted by Gabegabe
well if youre talking about black women then dont include jlo and demi...
hey rihanna is obvious but the other one not really...
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Nicki. Obvious if you've paid attention to pop music for the past eighteen months.
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Urban is considered a format, not genera....
Rap
R&B
Those are both considered "urban"
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Member Since: 8/22/2010
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Santigold? R&B? Dear God. Not even close.
How many Asian Americans have tried to breakthrough in the U.S., though? We have literally none because we have none trying to seep through the cracks. But remember, Ameriie is also part Korean, so she kinda counts.
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Coco Lee tried like about ten years ago. Utada, Se7en, and The Wonder Girls tried too. The Wonder Girls actually tried again this year.
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