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Poll: Do you believe in God?
View Poll Results: Do you believe in God?
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Yes Christian.
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Yes Muslim.
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Yes Hindu.
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Yes Buddhist.
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Yes other.
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Maybe/Agnostic.
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No.
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Member Since: 2/6/2010
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Yup. I am Orthodox Christian. Taking my Theology class at Uni has given me an academic perspective on this whole issue, which is very interesting because I went to public school.
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Member Since: 12/4/2009
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Originally posted by NaughtyDog
He said giraffes where similar to deers not that they where deers in the past
Evolution doesnt work in a find and replace manner, species branch off depending on their environment and survival instincts. Just like we have different type of dog breeds due to picking genes from 2 breeds and making a new one, it doesnt mean the last dog breed from the where the new one came from has been eradicated, they co-exist and continue branching off.
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School her.
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Originally posted by Bahjat
For example, you have a candle and you fire it.
Just leave it there. Yes it WOULD change a lot, but who made it change? It was you. Because you fired it.
It's logically NOT possible.
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Bye girl Is lightning thrown onto the earth by someone too?
Not everything is created or done by a conscious entity.
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Originally posted by RCL
there is no god . and dont give me the "he made us + universe"
ur mom + dad made u using (egg + sperm)
the universe + earth has been proven to have been made by science/physics etc ..
and if god made jesus .. who made god?
jesus/allah/buddah and others .. are just belief that has been going on for thousands of years that keep people company .. .. so
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Chill the **** down, your attitude pissed me off have some respect.
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Member Since: 11/27/2011
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Originally posted by RCL
there is no god . and dont give me the "he made us + universe"
ur mom + dad made u using (egg + sperm)
the universe + earth has been proven to have been made by science/physics etc ..
and if god made jesus .. who made god?
jesus/allah/buddah and others .. are just belief that has been going on for thousands of years that keep people company .. .. so
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Actually it's not as simple as that...
The question isn't who made us, the question is who made this possible?
The idea of mating sounds pretty normal and simple but I mean.. who made it possible?
It happened accidentally?
Why are we specially in this planet? the one the fits us the most.
Why is there rain to keep planets alive?
Who cares about this????
Why do we have the sun? What about the moon and stars? Why is anything on this earth useful to us and keeps us alive?
You can't just say there's no God, this is a big and a serious subject.
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Member Since: 6/7/2011
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Just a question, who do you think made humans? who do you think is the first human ever? I want a logical answer from y'all who don't believe in god.
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Originally posted by Bahjat
Thank you both for trying to explain to me, I really am eager to learn.
It's true I don't totally get it but I get the concept of it.
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Its alright
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Member Since: 11/27/2011
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Nope it's not.
It comes from clouds.
Clouds also come by a process, we go back to the sea, how does it happen? because of heat. We go back to the sun.
Why is everything connected and why is it perfect? that's the question.
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Member Since: 9/22/2011
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No, and it makes me cringe that as a society we're still debating whether or not evolution is real.
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Member Since: 6/19/2011
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I do but I don't practise religion.
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Der Tod Gottes wird ausgerufen
Friedrich Nietzsche - Der tolle Mensch
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Habt ihr nicht von jenem tollen Menschen gehört, der am hellen Vormittag eine Laterne anzündete, auf den Markt lief und unaufhörlich schrie: "Ich suche Gott! Ich suche Gott!"
Da dort gerade viele von denen zusammenstanden, welche nicht an Gott glaubten, so erregte er ein großes Gelächter.
Ist er denn verlorengegangen? sagte der eine. Hat er sich verlaufen wie ein Kind? sagte der andere.
Oder hält er sich versteckt? Fürchtet er sich vor uns? Ist er zu Schiff gegangen? ausgewandert? - so schrien und lachten sie durcheinander.
Der tolle Mensch sprang mitten unter sie und durchbohrte sie mit seinen Blicken.
"Wohin ist Gott?" rief er, "ich will es euch sagen!
Wir haben ihn getötet - ihr und ich!
Wir sind seine Mörder! Aber wie haben wir das gemacht?
Wie vermochten wir das Meer auszutrinken?
Wer gab uns den Schwamm, um den ganzen Horizont wegzuwischen?
Was taten wir, als wir diese Erde von ihrer Sonne losketteten? Wohin bewegt sie sich nun?
Wohin bewegen wir uns?
Fort von allen Sonnen?
Stürzen wir nicht fortwährend?
Und rückwärts, seitwärts, vorwärts, nach allen Seiten?
Gibt es noch ein Oben und ein Unten? Irren wir nicht durch ein unendliches Nichts?
Haucht uns nicht der leere Raum an?
Ist es nicht kälter geworden?
Kommt nicht immerfort die Nacht und mehr Nacht?
Müssen nicht Laternen am Vormittag angezündet werden?
Hören wir noch nichts von dem Lärm der Totengräber, welche Gott begraben?
Riechen wir noch nichts von der göttlichen Verwesung? - auch Götter verwesen!
Gott ist tot! Gott bleibt tot! Und wir haben ihn getötet!
Wie trösten wir uns, die Mörder aller Mörder?
Das Heiligste und Mächtigste, was die Welt bisher besaß, es ist unter unsern Messern verblutet - wer wischt dies Blut von uns ab?
Mit welchem Wasser könnten wir uns reinigen?
Welche Sühnefeiern, welche heiligen Spiele werden wir erfinden müssen?
Ist nicht die Größe dieser Tat zu groß für uns?
Müssen wir nicht selber zu Göttern werden, um nur ihrer würdig zu erscheinen?
Es gab nie eine größere Tat - und wer nun immer nach uns geboren wird, gehört um dieser Tat willen in eine höhere Geschichte, als alle Geschichte bisher war!"
Hier schwieg der tolle Mensch und sah wieder seine Zuhörer an: auch sie schwiegen und blickten befremdet auf ihn. Endlich warf er seine Laterne auf den Boden, dass sie in Stücke sprang und erlosch. "Ich komme zu früh", sagte er dann, "ich bin noch nicht an der Zeit.
Dies ungeheure Ereignis ist noch unterwegs und wandert - es ist noch nicht bis zu den Ohren der Menschen gedrungen. Blitz und Donner brauchen Zeit, das Licht der Gestirne braucht Zeit, Taten brauchen Zeit, auch nachdem sie getan sind, um gesehen und gehört zu werden. Diese Tat ist ihnen immer noch ferner als die fernsten Gestirne - und doch haben sie dieselbe getan!" - Man erzählt noch, dass der tolle Mensch desselbigen Tages in verschiedenen Kirchen eingedrungen sei und darin sein Requiem aeternam deo angestimmt habe. Hinausgeführt und zur Rede gesetzt, habe er immer nur dies entgegnet: "Was sind denn diese Kirchen noch, wenn sie nicht die Gräber und die Grabmäler Gottes sind?"
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Translation
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The Madman. Have you ever heard of the madman who on a bright morning lighted a lantern and ran to the market-place calling out unceasingly: "I seek God! I seek God!" As there were many people standing about who did not believe in God, he caused a great deal of amusement. Why? is he lost? said one. Has he strayed away like a child? said another. Or does he keep himself hidden? Is he afraid of us? Has he taken a sea voyage? Has he emigrated? - the people cried out laughingly, all in a hubbub.
The insane man jumped into their midst and transfixed them with his glances. "Where is God gone?" he called out. "I mean to tell you! We have killed him, you and I! We are all his murderers! But how have we done it? How were we able to drink up the sea? Who gave us the sponge to wipe away the whole horizon? What did we do when we loosened this earth from its sun? Whither does it now move? Whither do we move? Away from all suns? Do we not dash on unceasingly? Backwards, sideways, forwards, in all directions? Is there still an above and below? Do we not stray, as through infinite nothingness? Does not empty space breathe upon us? Has it not become colder? Does not night come on continually, darker and darker? Shall we not have to light lanterns in the morning? Do we not hear the noise of the grave-diggers who are burying God? Do we not smell the divine putrefaction? - for even Gods putrify! God is dead! God remains dead! And we have killed him!
How shall we console ourselves, the most murderous of all murderers? The holiest and the mightiest that the world has hitherto possessed, has bled to death under our knife - who will wipe the blood from us? With what water could we cleanse ourselves? What lustrums, what sacred games shall we have to devise? Is not the magnitude of this deed too great for us? Shall we not ourselves have to become Gods, merely to seem worthy of it? There never was a greater event - and on account of it, all who are born after us belong to a higher history than any history hitherto!" Here the madman was silent and looked again at his hearers; they also were silent and looked at him in surprise.
At last he threw his lantern on the ground, so that it broke in pieces and was extinguished. "I come too early," he then said. "I am not yet at the right time. This prodigious event is still on its way, and is traveling - it has not yet reached men's ears. Lightning and thunder need time, the light of the stars needs time, deeds need time, even after they are done, to be seen and heard. This deed is as yet further from them than the furthest star - and yet they have done it themselves!" It is further stated that the madman made his way into different churches on the same day, and there intoned his Requiem aeternam deo. When led out and called to account, he always gave the reply: "What are these churches now, if they are not the tombs and monuments of God?"
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This type of threads can never end well.
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Originally posted by Bahjat
Nope it's not.
It comes from clouds.
Clouds also come by a process, we go back to the sea, how does it happen? because of heat. We go back to the sun.
Why is everything connected and why is it perfect? that's the question.
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Exactly, so I don't understand the candle analogy.
Why everything is connected and perfect? I can't speak on what was there in the beginning, because I wasn't there... but from that point on, I do believe that it took time and adaptation to create the world of today.
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Yes. Staunch Muslim
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Originally posted by funnychick
Exactly, so I don't understand the candle analogy.
Why everything is connected and perfect? I can't speak on what was there in the beginning, because I wasn't there... but from that point on, I do believe that it took time and adaptation to create the world of today.
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What I meant was, if you didn't fire the candle, it wouldn't have changed that moment.
Meaning: there's a reason behind everything.
And exactly, you can't speak on what was there in the beginning, therefore you can't say there's no God.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by Bahjat
But the ones with shorter necks must have ALL died since the process takes millions of years. No?
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Different places, different environmental conditions. The deers of Africa evolved into giraffes, the deers of Europe stayed the way they were
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Member Since: 1/6/2012
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Originally posted by Bahjat
Actually it's not as simple as that...
The question isn't who made us, the question is who made this possible?
The idea of mating sounds pretty normal and simple but I mean.. who made it possible?
It happened accidentally?
Why are we specially in this planet? the one the fits us the most.
Why is there rain to keep planets alive?
Who cares about this????
Why do we have the sun? What about the moon and stars? Why is anything on this earth useful to us and keeps us alive?
You can't just say there's no God, this is a big and a serious subject.
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Why we have the moon, sun, stars, etc all of that can be traced back
This planet is able to keep us alive due to its position in the solar system and the way it was transformed, but to get the jist of it you need to understand the concept of Deep Time. The Earth wasnt hospitable till millions of years after it was formed. It was formed 4.5 billion years ago and the first signs of life came around 3.8 billion years ago. So you can see how it had many years to change its atmosphere and acidic levels. Even then we wouldnt be able to survive on this Earth for a billions years more due to oxygen levels not being how they are now.
All of this took time, just like it took time to develop reproductive organs and the way species mate.
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im atheist i just cant see the possiblity of there being a god
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Originally posted by Cassiopeia
Different places, different environmental conditions. The deers of Africa evolved into giraffes, the deers of Europe stayed the way they were
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What?
You can't say that. at all.
We don't even know how the weather condition was before.
And we don't know how the Earth was, continents were connected as some believe.
You can't say ''The ones in Europe... etc.''
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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I believe in a higer power. Wanna call it a 'God' , Science , Nature.. :michael" I believe in the power that created the cosmos , but not in God.. for some reason I believe it's all a big Church fiasco-lie.. Who knows..cant be arsed
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Member Since: 6/23/2008
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GOD DISCUSSION! Is it that time of the month already?
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