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Music News: Cheryl Cole & RedOne to collaborate?
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
I never said anything about Cheryl being a better singer than Christina--Christina just isn't my cup of tea. But Cheryl's definitely a better performer!
Anyways, ta-ta!!! You won't be missed.
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Lol, look at someone who was talking about people who "intimidate people who don't share your opinions" at his previous post
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Originally posted by GaGaFan
RedOne's work with artists other than GaGa is hit or miss with me.
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Hopefully this will be a hit. I tend to agree though, although his hits are nearly stratospheric. I thought his stuff with Nicole was absolutely phenomenal, and the new JLS song is great. I also respect him for taking an artist I would normally avoid like the plague (Porcelain Black) and helping her churn out a song that's still true to who she is as an artist but also incredibly mainstream.
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
Of course I'm serious. I'd rather listen to Cheryl's Fireflies than any song that Christina approaches with her let's-take-a-word-with-one-syllable-and-give-it-fifteen vocal stylings. And when has Christina ever tried to sing and dance at the same time? And Ke$ha? Please. Ke$ha would be winded and wheezing after one round of Cheryl's Brits performance.
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Ke$ha, Christina and Cheryl aren't professional dancers though. They are singers.
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Originally posted by Under My Skin
Lol, look at someone who was talking about people who "intimidate people who don't share your opinions" at his previous post
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No, I'm just tired of debating the same argument with you over and over so I'm trying to exit with diplomacy. As for Chunk, he/she/it picked a fight when he/she/it insinuated my foolishness. That went beyond critiquing Cheryl Cole's music and was getting far too close to a personal attack against me. And I'm not going to be disrespected by some big-shot behind his computer screen on an internet message board.
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Are you the only one that's going to stan for cheryl??
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Originally posted by PopBoi
Ke$ha, Christina and Cheryl aren't professional dancers though. They are singers.
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I disagree. They are pop stars. There's so much more that goes into being a mainstream pop artist than simply being a vocalist. If that were the case, then every artist with a good voice would be a mainstream pop star, which--we all know--is not how it works. You have to have something else, that extra "x factor" if you will, to really resonate with audiences. Otherwise, why would Gaga work so hard to be an accomplished dancer? Why would pop stars pay so much money to choreographers to come up with routines for their music videos, tours, and performances? There's a reason Laurieann Gibson is rolling in all that green these days.
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Originally posted by <3Beyoncé
Are you the only one that's going to stan for cheryl??
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DId you miss the last two pages, sis?
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
I disagree. They are pop stars. There's so much more that goes into being a mainstream pop artist than simply being a vocalist. If that were the case, then every artist with a good voice would be a mainstream pop star, which--we all know--is not how it works. You have to have something else, that extra "x factor" if you will, to really resonate with audiences. Otherwise, why would Gaga work so hard to be an accomplished dancer? Why would pop stars pay so much money to choreographers to come up with routines for their music videos, tours, and performances? There's a reason Laurieann Gibson is rolling in all that green these days.
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Being a dancer is lower on the list than vocals for any kind of musical artist, thats just how it is. I'm not saying Cheryl isn't a talented performer, but Ke$ha and Christina can put on a show just as well, you don't have to be a good dancer to do that.
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First of all. Are you guys serious abt Xtina?
How can ANYONE doubt that woman's voice? Have u heard a song called Sorry? Or You Lost Me?
She delivers breathtaking vocals.
And about Nicole. Im not gonna go deep on this because im sick and tired of these fights.
But dont tell me Nicole is not successful.
and you cant compare Nicole's success in the UK, to Cheryl's.
Cheryl is UK's sweetheart, and you can deny the X Factor gave her a HUGE booost. She wouldnt have reached that far without that judging spot and if you deny that you are delusional.
Nicole has had a VERY successful year. She has 3 top 3 hits, DHYB debuted at #1 and has gone Platinum, being the 15th best selling single in the UK, Wet is destined to be another smash for her, she has a top 10 album, which went Gold and is not done selling yet.
And about the US, A top 40 on BB Hot 100, Top 20 on Pop radios and Top 30 on Rhythmic radios,and sales closing to 500k(gold) is far from a flop.
Her 2nd single will smash hard, especially if its DHYB, since the radio is giving her a chance this time around.
She's a judge on the most anticipated show of 2011 in the US, and is starring in one of the most anticipated films in 2012, Men in Black 3.
Stop being so pressed towards Nicole.
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Originally posted by PopBoi
Being a dancer is lower on the list than vocals for any kind of musical artist, thats just how it is. I'm not saying Cheryl isn't a talented performer, but Ke$ha and Christina can put on a show just as well, you don't have to be a good dancer to do that.
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I'll give you Xtina, but I don't think Ke$ha does. I find her ungainly and awkward, and if you're trying to say she's better than Cheryl (forgive me for being presumptuous, but EVERYONE else in this thread has been trying to) I remain unconvinced. I don't think her vocals are better, I definitely don't think her dancing skills are better, and I'm skeptical that she's a better performer.
And I think the idea that "being a dancer is lower on the list than vocals for any kind of musical artist" is extremely subjective. Again, look at Britney Spears, Madonna, even Michael Jackson. These three have helped define mainstream pop music and their dancing/performance abilities largely eclipse their vocals. Thus, I think it's safe to say that the ability to perform is just as important as one's vocals. And, again, I don't think you have to be able to sing from the bottom to the top of the musical scale--you just need to sound good on a recording.
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Originally posted by cypriotpcdfan
First of all. Are you guys serious abt Xtina?
How can ANYONE doubt that woman's voice? Have u heard a song called Sorry? Or You Lost Me?
She delivers breathtaking vocals.
And about Nicole. Im not gonna go deep on this because im sick and tired of these fights.
But dont tell me Nicole is not successful.
and you cant compare Nicole's success in the UK, to Cheryl's.
Cheryl is UK's sweetheart, and you can deny the X Factor gave her a HUGE booost. She wouldnt have reached that far without that judging spot and if you deny that you are delusional.
Nicole has had a VERY successful year. She has 3 top 3 hits, DHYB debuted at #1 and has gone Platinum, being the 15th best selling single in the UK, Wet is destined to be another smash for her, she has a top 10 album, which went Gold and is not done selling yet.
And about the US, A top 40 on BB Hot 100, Top 20 on Pop radios and Top 30 on Rhythmic radios,and sales closing to 500k(gold) is far from a flop.
Her 2nd single will smash hard, especially if its DHYB, since the radio is giving her a chance this time around.
She's a judge on the most anticipated show of 2011 in the US, and is starring in one of the most anticipated films in 2012, Men in Black 3.
Stop being so pressed towards Nicole.
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If you're sick of these Nicole vs. Cheryl arguments, why are you going to go and post this stuff? All it's going to do is start more fighting.
And no one in this thread said that Christina couldn't sing. Just that, for some, her voice--which is so often lauded as being THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS--doesn't exactly live up to that hype. I think there are plenty who can sing better than Christina, including Nicole Scherzinger.
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
I'll give you Xtina, but I don't think Ke$ha does. I find her ungainly and awkward, and if you're trying to say she's better than Cheryl (forgive me for being presumptuous, but EVERYONE else in this thread has been trying to) I remain unconvinced. I don't think her vocals are better, I definitely don't think her dancing skills are better, and I'm skeptical that she's a better performer.
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Yeah...Ke$ha's schtick is kind of her artful use of Autotune. Performance wise, she doesn't offer much. Cheryl >>>>>
However, Animal vs. 3 Words would probably see Animal win, mostly because it's a more solid album. It's a never ending cycle, really. I can't wait for Cheryl's 3rd album tho, it sounds like it's gonna be her best yet.
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Originally posted by Blueberry Kisses
Yeah...Ke$ha's schtick is kind of her artful use of Autotune. Performance wise, she doesn't offer much. Cheryl >>>>>
However, Animal vs. 3 Words would probably see Animal win, mostly because it's a more solid album. It's a never ending cycle, really. I can't wait for Cheryl's 3rd album tho, it sounds like it's gonna be her best yet.
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One person said earlier that RedOne is really hit-or-miss. I tend to agree. His hits are massive, but he's also had some clunkers. The reason I'm optimistic is because I really believe Cheryl's camp realizes that, in order to translate her mammoth UK success to the US, they're going to have to make sure the formula transitions seamlessly. She's got a helluva PR team and I think that, musically, they're analyzing all this stuff meticulously. So I have faith that the stuff that gets released is going to have endured an exhaustive process of analysis from Cheryl's team, A&R people, record execs, and Cheryl herself.
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
I'll give you Xtina, but I don't think Ke$ha does. I find her ungainly and awkward, and if you're trying to say she's better than Cheryl (forgive me for being presumptuous, but EVERYONE else in this thread has been trying to) I remain unconvinced. I don't think her vocals are better, I definitely don't think her dancing skills are better, and I'm skeptical that she's a better performer.
And I think the idea that "being a dancer is lower on the list than vocals for any kind of musical artist" is extremely subjective. Again, look at Britney Spears, Madonna, even Michael Jackson. These three have helped define mainstream pop music and their dancing/performance abilities largely eclipse their vocals. Thus, I think it's safe to say that the ability to perform is just as important as one's vocals. And, again, I don't think you have to be able to sing from the bottom to the top of the musical scale--you just need to sound good on a recording.
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But thats what I mean, it all depends on your taste. There are several people who think Ke$ha is the best performer of the three. Ke$ha isn't a better singer than Cheryl, and I dont think her voice (Cheryl) is even as bad as people make it out to be, but I think theres more to being a popstar and putting on a show than being a good dancer - look at Lady Gaga, for example
When Cheryl can put on a show like Madonna, Britney or Michael Jackson, we can talk. Those 3 are in a completely different league
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Originally posted by PopBoi
But thats what I mean, it all depends on your taste. There are several people who think Ke$ha is the best performer of the three. Ke$ha isn't a better singer than Cheryl, and I dont think her voice (Cheryl) is even as bad as people make it out to be, but I think theres more to being a popstar and putting on a show than being a good dancer - look at Lady Gaga, for example
When Cheryl can put on a show like Madonna, Britney or Michael Jackson, we can talk. Those 3 are in a completely different league
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I dunno. I don't really know if Britney has what she used to have. I definitely think Cheryl can keep up with her nowadays but, regardless, I think they are very, very similar.
And to me, Lady Gaga is different. She transcends any kind of categorical definition IMO. She's been around for such a short time but--for me--she's already shot herself up into the realm of Madonna and Michael Jackson.
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
If you're sick of these Nicole vs. Cheryl arguments, why are you going to go and post this stuff? All it's going to do is start more fighting.
And no one in this thread said that Christina couldn't sing. Just that, for some, her voice--which is so often lauded as being THE BEST IN THE BUSINESS--doesn't exactly live up to that hype. I think there are plenty who can sing better than Christina, including Nicole Scherzinger.
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im sick of comparing nicole and cheryl. i wasnt creating a fight, i was just stating that Nicole IS successful.
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Originally posted by DiamondDust
I dunno. I don't really know if Britney has what she used to have. I definitely think Cheryl can keep up with her nowadays but, regardless, I think they are very, very similar.
And to me, Lady Gaga is different. She transcends any kind of categorical definition IMO. She's been around for such a short time but--for me--she's already shot herself up into the realm of Madonna and Michael Jackson.
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Well yeah, but Britney will forever be known for her performing earlier in her career, and I dont think you can fairly compare Cheryl 2 years in, to Britney, who's 12 years in.
What I meant with Lady Gaga was that she isn't that great of a dancer but she's still a brilliant performer
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Originally posted by PopBoi
Well yeah, but Britney will forever be known for her performing earlier in her career, and I dont think you can fairly compare Cheryl 2 years in, to Britney, who's 12 years in.
What I meant with Lady Gaga was that she isn't that great of a dancer but she's still a brilliant performer
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Aye, aye. I hear ya.
Well it'll be interesting to see how Cheryl navigates her career stateside, for sure. I definitely think she has the star quality and, yes, talent to have career longevity up there with Madonna, Brit, and MJ.
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Are ****in kesha stans trying to come for cheryl's voice, seriously?
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Originally posted by CaptainMusic
Are ****in kesha stans trying to come for cheryl's voice, seriously?
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A few of them did, sis. But fear not. They were dealt with.
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