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Discussion: Has capitalism treated you well?
Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
This is the biggest thing people don't realize.
Let's see how good Capitalism works in first world, prominently white countries if you took all the borderline slave labor throughout Asia, all the environmental devastation throughout Africa, etc. for the GAIN of these first world countries and put it in those countries.
The biggest propaganda of capitalism is the lie that it's possible to earn huge sums of wealth.
No one can earn millions of millions of dollars.
No one can earn a billion dollars.
The only way for any single individual to accumulate such huge sums of money is by exploitation and taking away from others. People can only have SO MUCH because they're actively working to make sure those below them have so little. And worse - capitalism tricks people into viewing this mindset positively. Whoever can find the newest way to exploit land and people, to pull the most profit from people like pulling blood from a stone is rewarded, called genius, "entrepreneurs," etc.
Capitalism at its core is about exploitation, about abuse, etc.
It promotes the false reality that people naturally are going to have less and some people are naturally going to have more, while suggesting the more you have, the better you've done, and silencing its victim under labels like "lazy".
Capitalism is the most devastating system that has ravished and is currently killing our world.
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Incredible post, thank you
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Darren-5-08
Naturally. Of course, you are competing against other guys who offer their services for free Competition is part of capitalism too
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But I have something the other guys don't have.
Me.
Whew, I'm doing great at this.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by G.U.Y. Gaga
He's lying. He was already exposed in a deleted thread saying that he was broke and was sexually abused by his father
It has been okay, not really the best system but it's ok
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@ people answering yes.
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Communion, BGKC, Wonderland
Ya'll iz smart
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Yes it has
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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I'm doing fine but I'm sure it'll eventually **** me over like it does everyone else. Especially with an incoming administration that will be the textbook definition of crony capitalism.
Any country should be about 55% Capitalism and 45% Socialism, maybe 60-40 at the most. There should always be a safety net in case any one comes across hard times, the vulnerable should be taken care of, and the profit motive should never apply to areas like healthcare, education, etc. Say what you want but it's the moral thing to do. You never know what might happen in the future.
A fully free market, capitalist system sounds nice in theory but unfortunately greed tends to take over eventually.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Salacious
Cheap labor is cheap labor at the end of the day regardless of how hard one works. That will never be rewarded nor should it.
Working hard professionally will take you as far as you wish to go if you create a network. That requires an education, talent, or both.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Mike91
I'm doing fine but I'm sure it'll eventually **** me over like it does everyone else. Especially with an incoming administration that will be the textbook definition of crony capitalism.
Any country should be about 55% Capitalism and 45% Socialism, maybe 60-40 at the most.
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Capitalism and socialism can't co-exist in any way, shape or form, they're complete opposites. Social democracy is not socialism.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by KatyLegendperry
Capitalism/socialism prevents freedom and is economically unsustainable. Regulated capitalism (ie. mixed economy) is the only system that works
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yeah for you, you selfish rat.
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Member Since: 3/24/2012
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I feel like some people in this thread have it confused. You can do well under capitalism you just have to be smart with your money, i.e investing, saving your money, not living above your means.
Capitalism can either work for you or against you, it's purely up to you.
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by Communion
This is the biggest thing people don't realize.
Let's see how good Capitalism works in first world, prominently white countries if you took all the borderline slave labor throughout Asia, all the environmental devastation throughout Africa, etc. for the GAIN of these first world countries and put it in those countries.
The biggest propaganda of capitalism is the lie that it's possible to earn huge sums of wealth.
No one can earn millions of millions of dollars.
No one can earn a billion dollars.
The only way for any single individual to accumulate such huge sums of money is by exploitation and taking away from others. People can only have SO MUCH because they're actively working to make sure those below them have so little. And worse - capitalism tricks people into viewing this mindset positively. Whoever can find the newest way to exploit land and people, to pull the most profit from people like pulling blood from a stone is rewarded, called genius, "entrepreneurs," etc.
Capitalism at its core is about exploitation, about abuse, etc.
It promotes the false reality that people naturally are going to have less and some people are naturally going to have more, while suggesting the more you have, the better you've done, and silencing its victim under labels like "lazy".
Capitalism is the most devastating system that has ravished and is currently killing our world.
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all. of. this.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by Nano
Capitalism and socialism can't co-exist in any way, shape or form, they're complete opposites. Social democracy is not socialism.
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That's the wrong American definition of socialism, they see the S in USSR.
While socialism is the workers organizing in unions fighting for worker's rights like minimum wage, vacation days, 36(, 38, 40,...) hour work week,... It's basically your civil rights when you are faced with your boss. These laws were made through democracy and part of mixed capitalism. If the country is run by the unions it would end up a Kafkaesque public servant mess. Too much of anything is bad.
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Originally posted by Deuces
I'm glad you know Italian proverbs. My aforementioned comment still stands.
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Did you like it? Here's another just for you; "la madre dei fessi č sempre incinta".
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Anyway, I often forget that most of the members on this forum are in their mid-to-late teens and have still not yet shed their childish, foolish idealism. It's going to be a sight to behold when the curtain falls on the millenials, that's for sure.
Remember that capitalism brings choice and whatever its symptoms and externalities may be, they are the consequences of the collective choices we make as consumers.
So, if you're against 7 year old children making tshirts at a wage of 6cents per month, don't shop at H&M and Topshop, shop at American Apparel and pay $40 for a plain white tee. And don't complain that you can't afford it because you can't find a high-paying job armed only with your degree in 19th Century Victorian Literature. It's called coherence and some of you would do well to look it up and learn its meaning.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Patri
Did you like it? Here's another just for you; "la madre dei fessi č sempre incinta".
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Anyway, I often forget that most of the members on this forum are in their mid-to-late teens and have still not yet shed their childish, foolish idealism. It's going to be a sight to behold when the curtain falls on the millenials, that's for sure.
Remember that capitalism brings choice and whatever its symptoms and externalities may be, they are the consequences of the collective choices we make as consumers.
So, if you're against 7 year old children making tshirts at a wage of 6cents per month, don't shop at H&M and Topshop, shop at American Apparel and pay $40 for a plain white tee. And don't complain that you can't afford it because you can't find a high-paying job armed only with your degree in 19th Century Victorian Literature. It's called coherence and some of you would do well to look it up and learn its meaning.
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You really wasted a good 15 minutes thinking up this response and thinking it was some lashing when you could have simply typed "I hate poor people, I don't want them near me and I'll gladly support a system that makes them suffer" lmao. The real kii.
"Capitalism offers choice". Yeah, work yourself to death trying to cover yourself if you ever do get sick or don't work cause you're dying & die quicker with no insurance.
Capitalism is a man working a low-paying manual labor job and having a heart attack at 40 cause he was trying to save enough money and find enough time to get a certificate so he could get an office job that offers insurance since he knew the risk of heart disease that was in his family. Capitalism is the single mother at 24 waitressing and told she needs skills to get a good job yet doesn't have the time to get said skills. Capitalism is the mentally ill homeless person being told they could get their life together if they "just start networking". That's your illusion of choice.
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Communion
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Member Since: 9/10/2011
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Originally posted by Communion
You really wasted a good 15 minutes thinking up this response and thinking it was some lashing when you could have simply typed "I hate poor people, I don't want them near me and I'll gladly support a system that makes them suffer" lmao. The real kii.
"Capitalism offers choice". Yeah, work yourself to death trying to cover yourself if you ever do get sick or don't work cause you're dying & die quicker with no insurance.
Capitalism is a man working a low-paying manual labor job and having a heart attack at 40 cause he was trying to save enough money and find enough time to get a certificate so he could get an office job that offers insurance since he knew the risk of heart disease that was in his family. Capitalism is the single mother at 24 waitressing and told she needs skills to get a good job yet doesn't have the time to get said skills. Capitalism is the mentally ill homeless person being told they could get their life together if they "just start networking". That's your illusion of choice.
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Belittling someone's opinion and telling them it took 15 minutes to "think up a response"
Accusing people of hating the poor and wanting them to suffer because they disagree with your beliefs
Playing on emotions and bringing in photo op examples to try and win people on your side
Breaking your heels to talk about the 34 year old single mother from West Virginia named Patricia Anastasia Charlotte Cordelia Joy-Anne Elizabeth Turner who has 3 kids (7, 5, & 4 years old) and works a minimum wage in the McDonald's on 1985643 Pine Wood Road BUT leaving out the millions who suffered under communist regimes because it's not the type of information that's tailor-fit to your ideal LiveJournal.com-inspired propaganda.
Stop acting like you genuinely want to make positive change when all you do is go at wars of words with people who have the slightest nerve to disagree with you
Stop acting like you care about others when name-calling is your main hobby and you will take the first chance to abuse an ideological opponent
You literally have no shame and this shtick is EXHAUSTING
Retire already
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Member Since: 3/4/2011
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Originally posted by Communion
You really wasted a good 15 minutes thinking up this response and thinking it was some lashing when you could have simply typed "I hate poor people, I don't want them near me and I'll gladly support a system that makes them suffer" lmao. The real kii.
"Capitalism offers choice". Yeah, work yourself to death trying to cover yourself if you ever do get sick or don't work cause you're dying & die quicker with no insurance.
Capitalism is a man working a low-paying manual labor job and having a heart attack at 40 cause he was trying to save enough money and find enough time to get a certificate so he could get an office job that offers insurance since he knew the risk of heart disease that was in his family. Capitalism is the single mother at 24 waitressing and told she needs skills to get a good job yet doesn't have the time to get said skills. Capitalism is the mentally ill homeless person being told they could get their life together if they "just start networking". That's your illusion of choice.
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You're really something, aren't you? I barely remember any user on here, but you're due credit for having routinely caught my attention with the unfaltering, childish naiveté you manage to display in every thread I've crossed you in. The kind that breeds the most illogical and idealistic of mentalities and is almost always accompanied with that faux-revolutionary spirit and the hypocrisy of a bourgeois that prattles on and on about Che Guevara and then lives in a house with central heating and air conditioning, wears Emporio Armani underwear, and writes about the evils of capitalism on an iPhone or a Mac that his parents bought for him.
Yours is an argument based on emotion. If you've every learnt anything about argumentative writing, you'll remember that emotional arguments are the easiest to make and the easiest to debunk. Of course, judging by the gross hyperbole in your first paragraph, I'd wager that your knowledge of rhetoric is lacking, to say the least. Because while you may pull at someone's heart strings, your crucifixion of capitalism does nothing to address its shortcomings. And it does have shortcomings.
Yes, unregulated capitalism can result in inequities, it can make the rich richer and the poor poorer, it can lead to the over-exploitation of resources, both natural and human. Again, this is the consequence of a collective choice made by us, the consumers, who demand demand demand and thus require the supply to keep up in order to satisfy us. Furthermore, these are issues that can be addressed within the large framework of the system itself, not by overhauling it altogether.
What do you propose then, as an alternative?
Communism or Socialism? Neither succeeds in making everyone equally rich, they make everyone equally poor. They are the same as a monarchy or a theocracy that puts His Majesty the State in place of His Majesty the King or His Holiness the Pope. The State cannot be questioned, the State cannot be criticized. And where they claim to turn the population into the People (with a capital P), all they do, all they've ever done, is turn the population into plebeians. See Cuba & the USSR.
In reality, you do need to tailor capitalism and introduce some of the concepts advocated by socialism. Accessible education, healthcare, primary goods and services etc. What's important to remember is that these are just alterations made to an otherwise capitalist society. Private ownership of property is crucial, control of one's one wealth and reaping the rewards of one's own work, the same. You see it as another's success is my failure but anyone and EVERYONE deserves the success they work their asses off for and it will snow on the hills of Hell before you convince me that the rewards of one's work should not be based on their merits. Besides being wrong from a rational point of view, it's wrong from an ethical point of view.
The fact is, capitalism is the most just way to run an economy because it rewards based on merit. And to those of you that see "meritocracy" as a bad word, I invite you to go **** yourselves as you wait to collect your unemployment. Why do you think executive pay in multinationals is tied directly to performance? Why do you think salesmen work on commissions? Because the promise of a reward drives a person to obtain results. Results bring progress. Progress is how a society moves forward. Full stop.
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Member Since: 6/20/2012
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
Belittling someone's opinion and telling them it took 15 minutes to "think up a response"
Accusing people of hating the poor and wanting them to suffer because they disagree with your beliefs
Playing on emotions and bringing in photo op examples to try and win people on your side
Breaking your heels to talk about the 34 year old single mother from West Virginia named Patricia Anastasia Charlotte Cordelia Joy-Anne Elizabeth Turner who has 3 kids (7, 5, & 4 years old) and works a minimum wage in the McDonald's on 1985643 Pine Wood Road BUT leaving out the millions who suffered under communist regimes because it's not the type of information that's tailor-fit to your ideal LiveJournal.com-inspired propaganda.
Stop acting like you genuinely want to make positive change when all you do is go at wars of words with people who have the slightest nerve to disagree with you
Stop acting like you care about others when name-calling is your main hobby and you will take the first chance to abuse an ideological opponent
You literally have no shame and this shtick is EXHAUSTING
Retire already
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Originally posted by Patri
You're really something, aren't you? I barely remember any user on here, but you're due credit for having routinely caught my attention with the unfaltering, childish naiveté you manage to display in every thread I've crossed you in. The kind that breeds the most illogical and idealistic of mentalities and is almost always accompanied with that faux-revolutionary spirit and the hypocrisy of a bourgeois that prattles on and on about Che Guevara and then lives in a house with central heating and air conditioning, wears Emporio Armani underwear, and writes about the evils of capitalism on an iPhone or a Mac that his parents bought for him.
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Jesus
But isn't that the same person who refused to call a mass murderer and a guy who was in favor of jailing gay people a "terrorist" just because he was a Communist? I'm also pretty sure they called Cuban-American exiles "rich white people" who only fled to "keep their money their money"?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Rob_Matteo
Accusing people of hating the poor and wanting them to suffer because they disagree with your beliefs
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Supporting capitalism is objectively supporting the suffering of the poor since one of the key factors of capitalism is the propaganda that there simply must be poor people by natural course.
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Playing on emotions and bringing in photo op examples to try and win people on your side
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Real life examples are playing on emotions?
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leaving out the millions who suffered under communist regimes
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Capitalism is a globalist system. Communist countries in our world still exist within a global capitalist framework that work to suffocate them. Don't criticize Cuba without also criticizing the US for essentially trying to cut it off from the rest of the world and drain it of its life. Why is the US so scared of countries that rebuke capitalism?
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Stop acting like you genuinely want to make positive change when all you do is go at wars of words with people who have the slightest nerve to disagree with you
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Fallacy #1
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Stop acting like you care about others when name-calling is your main hobby and you will take the first chance to abuse an ideological opponent
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Fallacy #2
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You literally have no shame and this shtick is EXHAUSTING
Retire already
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Fallacy #3.
At least no one's mentioned the ******** concept of "merits" yet.
Though I'm shocked despite constant calling out on people's racism and bigotry, the one thing to make someone on here crack is telling them that rich people didn't earn their wealth. Rich people are something else.
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Trump will improve our life conditions.
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