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Discussion: Why was Rihanna the only black female to survive Beyonce?
Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by WalkAway
Because she wasn't molded to be another Beyonce 2.0.
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...Are you joking? That's exactly what she was moulded to be. They then saw that it was not working for people to constantly be in Beyoncé's shade, so they changed tactics and GGGB was born.
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Member Since: 8/22/2011
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Originally posted by MrLovett
...Are you joking? That's exactly what she was moulded to be. They then saw that it was not working for people to constantly be in Beyoncé's shade, so they changed tactics and GGGB was born.
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Then from there rihanna rose to success because she was the antithesis to what beyonce was image wise.
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Originally posted by Javan
Did you laugh?
Imo no. On the contrary I find it quite sad that she felt pressured to market herself in such away adapt to the industries new climate.
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What's sad about evolving with the times and incorporating other sounds into your current work??
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by MrLovett
Except nobody is discussing debuts. You're very well aware that they all bombed very shortly after and haven't been successful since. I'm not quite sure why you're windmilling different names of flop stars hoping we've forgotten the past. We haven't.
Beyoncé's career sky rocketed and all the others fell by the wayside. That's a fact. The rest of that embarrassment of a post doesn't even deserve a response.
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Nobody is discussing debuts? I guess your 2 hive friends that quoted me talmbout debuts are nobody then?
If Beyonce was the reason for their downfall they wouldn't have happened while she was blowing up.
And it's really not foolishness. Dont underestimate the power of a power couple. Look at how Future breathed life back into Ciara's career. How Big Sean elevated Ariana, and how long it took her to recover soon after. How Rihanna profited from her relationship to Chris for a good 4 eras. Look at what Perrie's association to Zayn alone did for Little Mix in America
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Gangsta4alife
What's sad about evolving with the times and incorporating other sounds into your current work??
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I'm talking about her image not her sound.
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Member Since: 11/14/2011
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Rihanna HAS personality. Like her or not, she looks like a secure woman who doesn't give a f*** about the other female artists. She works with the right artists -Eminem, Coldplay, Kanye, JAY Z- and it helped her win a lot of respect from straight men. Some artists are marketed for gays, for girls, for children, but Rihanna appeals to everyone.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Javan
And it's really not foolishness. Dont underestimate the power of a power couple. Look at how Future breathed life back into Ciara's career. How Big Sean elevated Ariana, and how long it took her to recover soon after. How Rihanna profited from her relationship to Chris for a good 4 eras. Look at what Perrie's association to Zayn alone did for Little Mix in America
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Are you allergic to making sense or something? I was hoping you were trolling and attempting to be funny but you're actually serious with this nonsense
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by Cookie
Are you allergic to making sense or something? I was hoping you were trolling and attempting to be funny but you're actually serious with this nonsense
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Excellent rebuttal. Way to dismantle my argument
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Originally posted by Javan
Nobody is discussing debuts? I guess your 2 hive friends that quoted me talmbout debuts are nobody then?
If Beyonce was the reason for their downfall they wouldn't have happened while she was blowing up.
And it's really not foolishness. Dont underestimate the power of a power couple. Look at how Future breathed life back into Ciara's career. How Big Sean elevated Ariana, and how long it took her to recover soon after. How Rihanna profited from her relationship to Chris for a good 4 eras. Look at what Perrie's association to Zayn alone did for Little Mix in America
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Abrahamjmr wasn't talking about debuts either. He specifically asked for the names of the people that were slaying alongside Beyoncé. Not about their debut album sales. That was started and only discussed by... you.
Except they didn't happen when she was blowing up. They all faltered and disappeared during the first few years of Beyoncé's solo career. Some of those that you named never really even took off in the first place.
And you're right, it's not foolishness. It's misogyny. Literally not a single statement you just said in that last paragraph is accurate. Not ONE. Tragic.
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Originally posted by Javan
nobody said anything about debuting. Ciara, Cassie and Amerie had very successful debuts in the 2000s
Beyonce didn't destroy anyone, aside from maybe Ashanti. All black musicians were under siege in the latter half of the 2000s, Beyonce simply was the best at adapting. She had good management and her association to Jay Z was pivotal in her longevity. We know this, even she knows this which is why she her last 3 major projects revolved around him in some way, Lemonade, Mrs Carter World Tour, On The Run tour etc.
Her identity as a wife protected her as she presented herself as an over sexualised popstar, and not just a wife to any random man. But one of the most respected veterans alive. This gave her some extra leeway to pander to whites, while not being abandoned by her black base. In any other case she would have been called a sell out in the sasha fierce era.
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I always laugh when I see the Navy giving Jay so much credit for his wife career but when it revolves around the question of him helping Little Miss Sunshine, y'all become very forgetful
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Originally posted by MrLovett
Abrahamjmr wasn't talking about debuts either. He specifically asked for the names of the people that were slaying alongside Beyoncé. Not about their debut album sales. That was started and only discussed by... you.
Except they didn't happen when she was blowing up. They all faltered and disappeared during the first few years of Beyoncé's solo career. Some of those that you named never really even took off in the first place.
And you're right, it's not foolishness. It's misogyny. Literally not a single statement you just said in that last paragraph is accurate. Not ONE. Tragic.
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And when I said Alicia keys and Mariah Carey were slaying alongside Bey, he said they had to debut in 2000s....
Ciara didn't happen? With a multiplatinum album? #1 along side top 10s, a grammy and whatever else?
Ofcourse its misogyny. Its also a reality, as we live in a misogynistic society. We are not going to sit here and pretend that women are partially defined by their male partners, as if Hillary Clinton didn't lose the general election to a reality tv star after being scapegoated for all the decisions her husband made
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Also Alicia keys survived Beyonce.
This is her first flop 15 years after her first album haha, she had a fantastic run.
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Member Since: 8/6/2015
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Originally posted by Javan
And when I said Alicia keys and Mariah Carey were slaying alongside Bey, he said they had to debut in 2000s....
Ciara didn't happen? With a multiplatinum album? #1 along side top 10s, a grammy and whatever else?
Ofcourse its misogyny. Its also a reality, as we live in a misogynistic society. We are not going to sit here and pretend that women are partially defined by their male partners, as if Hillary Clinton didn't lose the general election to a reality tv star after being scapegoated for all the decisions her husband made
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Well seeing as this whole thread is a discussion regarding the 2000s girls... What a shocker it must've been for you to discover that everyone is talking about : the girls who debuted in the 2000s!
Ciara happened and finished by about 2006. However Cassie and Amerie barely happened at all.
Your previous paragraph remains factually incorrect. Still cackling at you thinking Big Sean did anything for Ariana's career.
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Originally posted by Ash12345
Also Alicia keys survived Beyonce.
This is her first flop 15 years after her first album haha, she had a fantastic run.
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Are we pretending Girl on Fire didn't happen, or...?
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Jay-Z realized that she was in danger of being a victim of Beyonceitis. So, he cut her hair, and they developed a bad gal image, which was the exact opposite of Beyoncè's wholesome image. Beyoncé was sexual yet classy. Rihanna was raunchy and "unapologetic." They (the Roc family), also kept her music on par with what was trending.
It all worked out well, and they successfully developed her own lane. But now Jay is leaving her and Kanye on their own. They didn't cross lanes until Bey dropped Self-Titled, and changed the industry. It was then that Rihanna knew she had to do something once again to survive Bey's domination. This led to all of the drama last year with her album, and influenced the artistic direction of ANTi. We'll see what happens from here.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by MrLovett
Well seeing as this whole thread is a discussion regarding the 2000s girls... What a shocker it must've been for you to discover that everyone is talking about : the girls who debuted in the 2000s!
Ciara happened and finished by about 2006. However Cassie and Amerie barely happened at all.
Your previous paragraph remains factually incorrect. Still cackling at you thinking Big Sean did anything for Ariana's career.
Are we pretending Girl on Fire didn't happen, or...?
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Any questions?
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jay-z backs them and monopolizes the field
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Originally posted by robotdanger
Jay-Z realized that she was in danger of being a victim of Beyonceitis. So, he cut her hair, and they developed a bad gal image, which was the exact opposite of Beyoncè's wholesome image. Beyoncé was sexual yet classy. Rihanna was raunchy and "unapologetic." They also kept her music on par with what was trending.
It all worked out well, and they developed her own lane. But now Jay is leaving her and Kanye on their own. They didn't cross lanes until Bey dropped Self-Titled, and changed the industry. It was then that Rihanna knew she had to do something once again to survive in this industry. This led to all of the drama last year with her album, and influenced the artistic direction of ANTi. We'll see what happens from here.
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What a lovely fan fiction you got there. The fact that Rihanna's hair cut had absolutely NOTHING to do with her label considering they had no idea she was even doing it makes your post even more of a kii
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by robotdanger
Jay-Z realized that she was in danger of being a victim of Beyonceitis. So, he cut her hair, and they developed a bad gal image, which was the exact opposite of Beyoncè's wholesome image. Beyoncé was sexual yet classy. Rihanna was raunchy and "unapologetic." They (the Roc family), also kept her music on par with what was trending.
It all worked out well, and they successfully developed her own lane. But now Jay is leaving her and Kanye on their own. They didn't cross lanes until Bey dropped Self-Titled, and changed the industry. It was then that Rihanna knew she had to do something once again to survive in this industry. This led to all of the drama last year with her album, and influenced the artistic direction of ANTi. We'll see what happens from here.
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Bey just bites Solange's artistic visions for her own personal gain. Its not like they're hers.
Imo if anything, Jay prevents Rihanna from being able to outshadow Bey thus why the ANTi production era was filled with so many setbacks and drama. Bey has to come out on top. Its politics.
Rih has been edgier and more interesting than Beyonce for a long time now. It was Beys camp that realized she had to step her aesthetic game up in order to be what shes become now.
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Originally posted by Javan
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This doesn't explain how Big Sean helped her.
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Rihanna appeals to everyone. That's why. Some soccer moms are concerned about her image but everyone bops to her songs and sob to her ballads. It's juts amazing how Rihanna promoted a movie like Home (appealing to Children), release BBHMM months later and that didn't hurt her image at all. She literally can pull off anything.
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Better music, more relatable etc
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