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News: Netherlands to ban Burqa & other face covering clothes
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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Member Since: 6/25/2012
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Originally posted by MaRy
after switzerland
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in switzerland it was only one state (out of 26). in the others it hasn't been voted on yet. congress said ban it, senate didn't
OT as long as they leave the burkini and the hijab it's ok i guess
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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at all of this, especially the bit I bolded
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Originally posted by keerbyriri
not while over 50% of the world has been invaded/colonised by the western world in the name of Christianity - wiping out several religions, languages, and whole cultures. Islamic countries only started breeding out extremists in retaliation to the West.
This ban will not help. At all. Minorities living in the culturally diverse parts of the Netherlands will only feel more oppression under this hegemonic scheme - which will probably result in more European deaths. We need to educate, not ban significant parts of a religion (and I'm not even remotely a religous person) it feels like a dangerous short-cut as a way of dealing with pressing issues.
It's good to have perspective.
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Umm, you have heard of the Ottoman Empire, right?
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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Member Since: 11/11/2011
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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EDUCATE HA
It blows my mind how willfully ignorant people are to this religion nowadays.
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Originally posted by DivaCup
here in the US though, we're not even allowed to wear sunglasses or hats in banks. it's mainly for security.
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What? I never heard of this before and I go to the banks with my hats/glasses a lot
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Does this includes masks?
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Originally posted by jagger88788
EDUCATE HA
It blows my mind how willfully ignorant people are to this religion nowadays.
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People close their eyes and mouths because they're scared of being labelled "racists". The word itself is not appropriate in this context given that religion, not race, is at the centre.
Notwithstanding the semantics, it is not - CAN NOT - be racist to tell things as they are. The truth cannot be racist, by definition, it can only be TRUE. Speaking critically, yet accurately, of an ideology is not a crime. Calling Good and Evil by their proper names is not a crime. Being pragmatic with respect to the past and the present is not a crime. Full stop.
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
What? I never heard of this before and I go to the banks with my hats/glasses a lot
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Does this includes masks?
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at least the ones i've been to have signs on the outside doors maybe it's different elsewhere
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Originally posted by IBeMe
I see what you're saying...but maybe it being banned discourages the men who force them to wear it. i don't think they will fight the legal system. they may protest it at first but they will eventually get used to it and comply a bit.
also in terms of security. Hijab is great because you get to see the woman's face...under a burqa you can't see and identify who you are talking to or who is on camera etc..
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So they will have their freedoms reduced even further and not be allowed to enter those public places. If you think that their husbands would simply allow them to not wear their burqas, then that is simply naive.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? The development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to music, to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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Mess at you trying to justify imperialism
Plus I find it ironic that you're calling us ignorant, when you're unaware of how advanced and innovative Islamic civilizations were. Our world would be much more different without the technological advances made in Islamic societies.
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Not a fan. Let people wear what they want to. I'm not sure what this accomplishes. If someone wants to cover themselves, there are many other ways of doing it.
I'm all for 'do what you want, as long as it's not hurting anyone'. And for the most part, it passes that test.
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Originally posted by Jotham
Mess at you trying to justify imperialism
Plus I find it ironic that you're calling us ignorant, when you're unaware of how advanced and innovative Islamic civilizations were. Our world would be much more different without the technological advances made in Islamic societies.
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Mess at you not realizing that the Saracens did the same thing in Spain centuries before Colombus was even born. It's one thing to be ignorant of other people's history, but your own?
And if we're now agreed that imperialism is something to be avoided, then what does the recent influx of Islam to the West and all of its corresponding demands for accommodation constitute? Is it not a conquest? Maybe - maybe - not a territorial conquest but certainly a cultural and societal conquest. Public schools can't serve pork, specific rooms in public buildings need to be allocated for Muslim prayer, Muslim women are permitted to cover themselves from head to toe and to hell with anyone concerned about a shapeless, unidentifiable blob walking the streets. This isn't my culture, and yet I'm being subjected to it on a daily basis. That's not imperialism?!?
What advancements? What innovations? Some mathematical discoveries made by some Muslim Philosophers that the Indians pre-dated anyway? The 1001 Nights? The so-called Islamic Golden Age which resulted from the direct contribution of Christians for that small bout of time that you weren't conquering and enslaving them? Or were they already enslaved at that point? Can't remember.
The roots of the modern, civilized world are Judeo-Christian. Illimunism, the Renaissance, the French and American Revolutions, the Industrial Revolution. They happened in Italy, in France, in England. Not in Iran, or in Afghanistan or Syria. Actually, instead of progressing, the Islamic world has gone backwards! Arafat, Khomeini. Look at the countries they ruled before and after they came to power.
While the West had banded together to stop in-fighting, the Islamic world, the so-called "Arab Nation" has turned in on itself. And the West needs to suffer the consequences in the form of refugees? This is absolute madness.
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Originally posted by DivaCup
I know a lot of people will have hissy fits but the burqa is really for security reasons
so I agree
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There's literally been 0 crimes involving the burqa.....
The fact that governments care more about a couple thousand women wearing burqa's is so funny to me. This sets a horrible precedent and no matter how much you hate the burqa or find it oppressive, telling women what they can and cannot wear is worse.
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Hey Patri. I agree with a lot of your points in that big post. Though the comment about islam or islamic countries not bringing anything to arts and science is false. Look it up. We need to give credit were credit is do. Especially when it comes to science and maths...arab and/or islamic empires have basically contributed a lot in those fields (at least in the past).
Also can we please NEVER say this again:
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"At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered."
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Because NO. most of the time (if not all the time) colonization and/or the conquering of land on religious pretexts has only brought despair to the people of that colonized or conquered land. I understand you felt provoked by the comment of that member but please be more careful in what you deem as "acceptable" because it makes it sound like you are trying to make those disgusting things sound less terrible then what they are/were.
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Originally posted by Patri
Mess at you not realizing that the Saracens did the same thing in Spain centuries before Colombus was even born. It's one thing to be ignorant of other people's history, but your own?
And if we're now agreed that imperialism is something to be avoided, then what does the recent influx of Islam to the West and all of its corresponding demands for accommodation constitute? Is it not a conquest? Maybe - maybe - not a territorial conquest but certainly a cultural and societal conquest. Public schools can't serve pork, specific rooms in public buildings need to be allocated for Muslim prayer, Muslim women are permitted to cover themselves from head to toe and to hell with anyone concerned about a shapeless, unidentifiable blob walking the streets. This isn't my culture, and yet I'm being subjected to it on a daily basis. That's not imperialism?!?
What advancements? What innovations? Some mathematical discoveries made by some Muslim Philosophers that the Indians pre-dated anyway? The 1001 Nights? The so-called Islamic Golden Age which resulted from the direct contribution of Christians for that small bout of time that you weren't conquering and enslaving them? Or were they already enslaved at that point? Can't remember.
The roots of the modern, civilized world are Judeo-Christian. Illimunism, the Renaissance, the French and American Revolutions, the Industrial Revolution. They happened in Italy, in France, in England. Not in Iran, or in Afghanistan or Syria. Actually, instead of progressing, the Islamic world has gone backwards! Arafat, Khomeini. Look at the countries they ruled before and after they came to power.
While the West had banded together to stop in-fighting, the Islamic world, the so-called "Arab Nation" has turned in on itself. And the West needs to suffer the consequences in the form of refugees? This is absolute madness.
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You are so ignorant. The refugee crisis in syria/iraq is a result of years of propping up asad and saddam as continuation of cold war politics followed by failed attempts to remove them causing a power struggle in which groups like ISIS rose. Same goes for libya, somalia and afghanistan. Your attempt to completely wash the west from imperialistic meddling within the region & colonisation is silly.
The "civilized world",a term which is sooo gross & racist, would never exist without the colonialism, slavery & the theft of resources. Btw khomeini & arafat existed because of US & western foreign policy not in spite of it
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Patri
at the brain-washing.
Open a history book and crack open your head with it because every altercation Christianity has had with Islam has been a response to a provocation. Who raped and reaved on the coasts of the Mediterranean for centuries? Who conquered half of Spain that if Isabel and Ferdinand hadn't gotten off their asses, they'd still be speaking Arabic? Who stole the Holy Land to begin with? Who sacked Constantinople and razed its churches to the ground and raped nuns on their altars? The last 50 years? T he development in the last century has been the anti-semitism re-born in the form of anti-Zionism and under the pretext of "pro-Palestine". Because nobody cares if the Jews are being massacred again. They only care that Muslim women are being "oppressed" when the societies that have taken them in demand that they show their faces for the sake of security and common decency.
At least Christians brought something to the societies they conquered. Some culture, some technology, the concept of law, some type of advancement. Islam is a stagnant pool that never purifies. Never a new idea, never a contribution to science, to art, to , to the advancement of Man. Stuck in a perpetual, self-wrought dark age with their woman looking at the world through a net. Where a big social "triumph" consists of Saudi Arabian women being declared equivalent to MAMMALS. MAMMALS. In the 21st century.
Under the pretext of good intentions and the myopia of political correctness, everyone is failing to see things for what they are.
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Gurrrrl please tell me where human rights abuses are occurring against jews today in 2016? Israel has been accused of human rights abuse by international groups such as the UN, being found guilty of targeting UN schools & putting in place manmade famine's whilst devastating the natural water resources and illegally building towns/cities on occupied land.
And before you start the vast majority modern israeli jews are of european descent and have no links to the land. This zionist agenda your pushing is a sham.
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Freedom of religion wasn't made for "do whatever you want in the name of a religion". It was meant to stop the state, regime,... forcing everyone to practice the one and only state approved religion. Thus it gives people the freedom to believe/practice another religion or to not believe/practice. Atheism is part of being freed from believing/practicing the state approved religion.
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Originally posted by DivaCup
It's religious and cultural.
When I worked in a warehouse, Muslim Somalians who we worked with were allowed to wear their hijabs, chadow and al-Amiras even though it's a safety hazard [around conveyer belts and moving warehouse parts. we weren't even allowed to wear our hair down or have strings on our hoodies ]. I believe one of them told me it was a religious aspect.
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This confusion happens in every religion by mixing religion and preexisting traditions.
80+% of the Muslim countries don't approve face covering. Only the most conservative country or the places ran by some extremist prick approve face covering. When it's seen as a sign of extremism in their home countries, why should we allow that here in the state run buildings/facilities?
Christian holidays like Easter and Christmas were created as replacements for the pagan holidays the Celts practiced on the equinoxes and solstices.
The Chinese act like burning things as sacrifice to dead family members and ancestors is Buddhistic. It isn't.
The "We do this, that because it's our religion!" is an easy excuse like how god was used to plug the holes in our scientific knowledge.
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