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ATRL: Does this site have a mob mentality?
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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I have no problem with the site being liberal. I like that. But it is the refusal to tolerate any other opinion that sucks.
If you can't handle something like that maturely, then you definitely shouldn't be on the internet.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
Posts: 29,767
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Originally posted by St. Charles
Nobody can prove this, though. Anyone claiming to have done this is obviously lying or trolling.
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May as well give a pass to all gay bashers because you cannot "prove" for 100% a negative such as that being gay is not a choice.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Shizuka
No one is obligated to be kind to those they feel attacks them as a person even if it's indirect. There is a line to draw on what flaws should be embraced for many people, and sometimes it has to do with in this example homophobia and other things that affect them.
Ideals can hurt people, cause they can be made into laws and have been used as reasonings to make others feel less than equal for years. Thoughts and ideals aren't just separated from action all the time.
Not to say this forum is trying to pass laws or anything.
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Yeah, I understand.
The world is a mess and is sure to implode on itself eventually.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
**** no.
It is incredibly damaging psychologically to have children exposed to damaging discussions like like that.
Imagine a classroom where the topic of the day is "Gay people: Going to hell for their disgusting abominations? Let us discuss!!!"
No one is going to leave that classroom with increased respect for gay people.
Not every opinion is worth discussing and legitimizing.
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You're creating a straw man, dude. That would be something to be discussed between people with the same views of religion and hell and if you actually had confidence in your own beliefs you wouldn't see this discussion as negative. What you are saying with your posts is "I have no faith in my own beliefs and in order to protect them, rather than challenge them the opposing views must be forbidden."
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by Jan
This is not an opinion. This is the truth. I didn't say how I feel or think stuff happened, this is history and reality. Ethnic, sexual minorities and women are the new proletariat, tolerance based on false logic assumptions as well as many other terms are pretty much what the discourse is like in the contemporary West.
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That is not the truth. You need to read up on Marxism. You don't even know what it is yet you are making wild claims about it.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Shizuka
Bottom line, it's just not realistic cause there's so many opinions with high levels of personal feeling all over it.
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And I think this is the problem. Emotion kills discussion.
Now you can be very passionate about an issue and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the ability to separate emotion from opinion (to some degree) is something that takes a lot of maturity to do. Not everybody has that. I suffer with that too, sometimes. But for the most part, I treat others with respect when arguing.
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
May as well give a pass to all gay bashers because you cannot "prove" for 100% a negative such as that being gay is not a choice.
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You can't "disprove" it either. So what's your point?
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by St. Charles
I have no problem with the site being liberal. I like that. But it is the refusal to tolerate any other opinion that sucks.
If you can't handle something like that maturely, then you definitely shouldn't be on the internet.
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You have the freedom to visit sites that align with your world view.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by TSLGNMA
In a way. Every tread title that even mentions Trump gets closed almost immediately. I mean I don't like Trump and I don't think most people here do either obviously, but that doesn't mean we need to be so sensitive that we can't even discuss him. There has been threads in the past that are about Trump being ahead in the polls and they get closed. Being butt hurt and protesting by closing a thread doesn't change anything it just shows how thin skinned some people here can be.
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Election related threads in general get closed. This isn't a Trump exclusive
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Anyway in some areas yeah. But that's the nature of the internet.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by St. Charles
I have no problem with the site being liberal. I like that. But it is the refusal to tolerate any other opinion that sucks.
If you can't handle something like that maturely, then you definitely shouldn't be on the internet.
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Do you really think, either side is being tolerant of the other or having a mature outlook on what the other is saying when **** is hitting the fan?
The internet is full of immaturity, welcome and enjoy your stay.
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Member Since: 2/6/2012
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Originally posted by Domination
You're creating a straw man, dude. That would be something to be discussed between people with the same views of religion and hell and if you actually had confidence in your own beliefs you wouldn't see this discussion as negative. What you are saying with your posts is "I have no faith in my own beliefs and in order to protect them, rather than challenge them the opposing views must be forbidden."
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*claims poster made a strawman*
*makes own strawman in response*
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by holyfool
I never said that. I'm saying that if someones gonna sit up here and be blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, islamaphobic or throwing around any other sort of hate speech/ideas then thats not a different opinion thats just being blatantly racist, sexist, homophobic, islamaphobic, etc but people use the 'different opinion' excuse to try and get away with it.
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TEA!
I'm sick of the racist/bigot ATRL members complaining about "SJWs11!!!" every time they get in trouble for saying some ignorant **** on this site. It's just so sad to see so many hateful people on here spewing garbage with no consequence for their actions.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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The US election thread is proof enough.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Adonis
That is not the truth. You need to read up on Marxism. You don't even know what it is yet you are making wild claims about it.
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I perfectly know what Marxism is about and what cultural Marxism is about. It's about what I said.
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Member Since: 10/6/2010
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Originally posted by Shizuka
Precisely.
People feel cornered, they lash out.
People feel they are offended, they lash out.
Bottom line, it's just not realistic cause there's so many opinions with high levels of personal feeling all over it.
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Now I agree, we'll never be some sort of harmonious paradise of discussion, but I think that we could be better as a collective and people can improve if it was promoted in this manner (ie. people actually use the report button and support their opinions)
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Member Since: 1/3/2014
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
**** no.
It is incredibly damaging psychologically to have children exposed to damaging discussions like like that.
Imagine a classroom where the topic of the day is "Gay people: Going to hell for their disgusting abominations? Let us discuss!!!"
No one is going to leave that classroom with increased respect for gay people.
Not every opinion is worth discussing and legitimizing.
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1. Children? If a child is on this site, that is their problem. Not mine. They need to watch themselves more carefully.
2. ATRL is not a classroom. It's not like one person is in charge (teacher) and everyone else has to follow.
3. Threads should be allowed to be open which encourage actual mature discussion. Not threads that throw temper-tantrums or that are heavily fueled with an agenda. And that truly does go both ways...
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by St. Charles
And I think this is the problem. Emotion kills discussion.
Now you can be very passionate about an issue and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. But the ability to separate emotion from opinion (to some degree) is something that takes a lot of maturity to do. Not everybody has that. I suffer with that too, sometimes. But for the most part, I treat others with respect when arguing.
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Some people are emotional reactors. That's not gonna change.
Some people are not. If you don't like how someone is replying to you, stop replying and report it if it crossed the line.
Not everyone can remove themselves personally, humans are always about how things affect themselves and people around them.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Wafflecakes
Last I checked environment and genetics were not choices either
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Right, environment and genetics are nott a choice, there are plenty of other factors that could be choices. You must've forgotten to read this part of my comment, though:
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Originally posted by OneAndOnly
The good thing is that it also does not mean that "being gay is a choice" is a true statement, though.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
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Originally posted by Domination
Now I agree, we'll never be some sort of harmonious paradise of discussion, but I think that we could be better as a collective and people can improve if it was promoted in this manner (ie. people actually use the report button and support their opinions)
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I don't if it's reliant on people not being emotional. The only way that is happening is if more people get warned for flying off the handle or the discussions are equally wrangled shut once it gets ugly or it's an offensive biased attack.
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Originally posted by Lights and Waves
TEA!
I'm sick of the racist/bigot ATRL members complaining about "SJWs11!!!" every time they get in trouble for saying some ignorant **** on this site. It's just so sad to see so many hateful people on here spewing garbage with no consequence for their actions.
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If this is directed at me, then your post is barely relevant to the thread. I haven't mentioned "SJWs11!!!," nor have I "gotten in trouble" or said something "ignorant." I've been completely respectful, not hateful. And I'm raising discussion, not bashing others.
Perhaps you're referring to someone else?
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