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Discussion: Question for anti-Black Lives Matter users...
Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Cas
Many people really DO think that BLM means exclusivity and that's a fact. It's up to the members of the movement to explain to everyone in intelligent, non intrusive way. Blocking essential highways is not helping at all.
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I disagree. As an adult, you should be help accountable for your own ignorance. If you aren't informed about the intention of the BLM, you need to take it upon yourself to get educated. Do a google search, talk to members, don't just start forming prejudices based on assumptions.
BLM have been explain for months, years even, why they are fighting an unjust judicial system. It's not some big secret that only BLM members are aware of.
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As an African American I am not anti-BLM but I don't outwardly support the movement. While I do stand for the core beliefs of the movement it's become a joke.
ANYONE who dares to say anything that isn't EXACTLY what black people want them to say is labeled as an ignorant and racist. It's absurd and downright embarrassing that there are witch hunts on Twitter, Tumblr, etc. for almost every celebrity if they either don't say anything or say something the movement people slightly disagree with.
Just look at the amount of celebrities who have had to defend themselves from being called racists because of a small tweet or something. How can you come to the conclusion someone is "living in ignorance" or is "racist" based off ONE tweet that wasn't even said in a malicious manner? That's what I can't stand about this movement. It's not doing anything because the online social justice warriors are turning everyone against it.
I've grown up in the suburbs of a white dominated city and I NEVER experienced racism. They were all extremely friendly and 99% of my friends were white. So when I see people always trying to label white people as racist and ignorant I can't help but be annoyed.
Not all white people are bad. Not all white people ignorant. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE GOT THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF "PRIVILIGE"
Believe it or not, some white people actually worked hard for their jobs. And BLM movement attempting to force every white person in existence to admit they got where they are due to "white privileges" demeans all the effort They've put into getting where they are.
Not even going to go into the "White people are racist but black people cant be racist" argument. Black people aren't excluded from being able to be racist. People saying that are stupid as **** and it's sad so many people actually think it's a legitimate argument.
There is clearly an issue in America regarding race, but the problem is that black people aren't handling it properly. Everything is always acted upon by impulse and things are never thought through. As a Black person living in America I can see the struggles other black peoples face (obviously just because I've never experienced racism doesn't mean other black people haven't) but you can't fight fire with fire. this problem won't be solved by labeling all white peoples as inherently racism and ignorant.
I'm on my phone so this is probably disjointed and all over the place but idc I have so many frustrations with this movement. I believe in what they stand for but not how they're executing everything.
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
As an African American I am not anti-BLM but I don't outwardly support the movement. While I do stand for the core beliefs of the movement it's become a joke.
ANYONE who dares to say anything that isn't EXACTLY what black people want them to say is labeled as an ignorant and racist. It's absurd and downright embarrassing that there are witch hunts on Twitter, Tumblr, etc. for almost every celebrity if they either don't say anything or say something the movement people slightly disagree with.
Just look at the amount of celebrities who have had to defend themselves from being called racists because of a small tweet or something. How can you come to the conclusion someone is "living in ignorance" or is "racist" based off ONE tweet that wasn't even said in a malicious manner? That's what I can't stand about this movement. It's not doing anything because the online social justice warriors are turning everyone against it.
I've grown up in the suburbs of a white dominated city and I NEVER experienced racism. They were all extremely friendly and 99% of my friends were white. So when I see people always trying to label white people as racist and ignorant I can't help but be annoyed.
Not all white people are bad. Not all white people ignorant. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE GOT THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF "PRIVILIGE"
Believe it or not, some white people actually worked hard for their jobs. And BLM movement attempting to force every white person in existence to admit they got where they are due to "white privileges" demeans all the effort They've put into getting where they are.
Not even going to go into the "White people are racist but black people cant be racist" argument. Black people aren't excluded from being able to be racist. People saying that are stupid as **** and it's sad so many people actually think it's a legitimate argument.
There is clearly an issue in America regarding race, but the problem is that black people aren't handling it properly. Everything is always acted upon by impulse and things are never thought through. As a Black person living in America I can see the struggles other black peoples face (obviously just because I've never experienced racism doesn't mean other black people haven't) but you can't fight fire with fire. this problem won't be solved by labeling all white peoples as inherently racism and ignorant.
I'm on my phone so this is probably disjointed and all over the place but idc I have so many frustrations with this movement. I believe in what they stand for but not how they're executing everything.
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i agree with all of this.
One of the reasons as to why im so hostile and mean spirited when it comes to race topics on atrl is because i have a white mother who has done nothing but love and support me and my white family was always open to other races and extremely friendly. My white friends have always been really chill. But the race relations in the US are starting to get to my family and i see my mom constantly have to explain herself and walk on egg shells around my brother who has been completely brainwashed into this white people are evil narrative and its just become stressful. Its a bit shaking because ive never been so openly exposed to people actually hating other races and the bad things about the BLM movement seem to get more publicity than the good things so its easy for a person to be against the movement. While i feel like BLM has brought awareness to the police brutality issue that plagues america, the radical twitter and tumblr people who attack everyone that so much as criticizes something BLM does makes it not easy to support the movement in its entirety `
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
i agree with all of this.
One of the reasons as to why im so hostile and mean spirited when it comes to race topics on atrl is because i have a white mother who has done nothing but love and support me and my white family was always open to other races and extremely friendly. My white friends have always been really chill. But the race relations in the US are starting to get to my family and i see my mom constantly have to explain herself and walk on egg shells around my brother who has been completely brainwashed into this white people are evil narrative and its just become stressful. Its a bit shaking because ive never been so openly exposed to people actually hating other races and the bad things about the BLM movement seem to get more publicity than the good things so its easy for a person to be against the movement. While i feel like BLM has brought awareness to the police brutality issue that plagues america, the radical twitter and tumblr people who attack everyone that so much as criticizes something BLM does makes it not easy to support the movement in its entirety `
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Do you have black relatives or something? I'm confused as to what this has to do with BLM. And it's no excuse to be abrasive in threads about race.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by TheLuckyOnes
i agree with all of this.
One of the reasons as to why im so hostile and mean spirited when it comes to race topics on atrl is because i have a white mother who has done nothing but love and support me and my white family was always open to other races and extremely friendly. My white friends have always been really chill. But the race relations in the US are starting to get to my family and i see my mom constantly have to explain herself and walk on egg shells around my brother who has been completely brainwashed into this white people are evil narrative and its just become stressful. Its a bit shaking because ive never been so openly exposed to people actually hating other races and the bad things about the BLM movement seem to get more publicity than the good things so its easy for a person to be against the movement. While i feel like BLM has brought awareness to the police brutality issue that plagues america, the radical twitter and tumblr people who attack everyone that so much as criticizes something BLM does makes it not easy to support the movement in its entirety `
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Fair enough, I can't tell you how to feel based off your personal experiences, but I'll tell you this much:
This is one of the first real posts I've seen you make and actually have been able to empathize and see your POV. The constant hostility and antagonism you've shown in the past wasn't doing you any favors in getting your point across. I feel the same goes for most people who have issues with the BLM movement. It's okay to not support every facet of the movement or the methods instilled. I'm sure there's actually many black people who may agree. But being antagonistic with posts like "All live matter, stop making everything about yourselves black people!" isn't the way to get people to hear out your concerns. Yes, there will always be people like your brother who are a very vocal minority who have a prejudice towards all white people, but you have to understand in the same way you can't generalize all white people, you can't generalize all BLM supporters when some truly just feel fed up and tired towards a system that they feel is stacked against them. Both are counterproductive. Maybe opinions differ based on region, but I've known plenty of black people in my life who get along with white people just fine and appreciate anytime they show support. I think there's a difference between hating white people and hating the idea of "whiteness" being the standard.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Fair enough, I can't tell you how to feel based off your personal experiences, but I'll tell you this much:
This is one of the first real posts I've seen you make and actually have been able to empathize and see your POV. The constant hostility and antagonism you've shown in the past wasn't doing you any favors in getting your point across. I feel the same goes for most people who have issues with the BLM movement. It's okay to not support every facet of the movement or the methods instilled. I'm sure there's actually many black people who may agree. But being antagonistic with posts like "All live matter, stop making everything about yourselves black people!" isn't the way to get people to hear out your concerns. Yes, there will always be people like your brother who are a very vocal minority who have a prejudice towards all white people, but you have to understand in the same way you can't generalize all white people, you can't generalize all BLM supporters when some truly just feel fed up and tired towards a system that they feel is stacked against them. Both are counterproductive. Maybe opinions differ based on region, but I've known plenty of black people in my life who get along with white people just fine and appreciate anytime they show support. I think there's a difference between hating white people and hating the idea of "whiteness" being the standard.
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Well said.
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Member Since: 2/5/2014
Posts: 3,371
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
As an African American I am not anti-BLM but I don't outwardly support the movement. While I do stand for the core beliefs of the movement it's become a joke.
ANYONE who dares to say anything that isn't EXACTLY what black people want them to say is labeled as an ignorant and racist. It's absurd and downright embarrassing that there are witch hunts on Twitter, Tumblr, etc. for almost every celebrity if they either don't say anything or say something the movement people slightly disagree with.
Just look at the amount of celebrities who have had to defend themselves from being called racists because of a small tweet or something. How can you come to the conclusion someone is "living in ignorance" or is "racist" based off ONE tweet that wasn't even said in a malicious manner? That's what I can't stand about this movement. It's not doing anything because the online social justice warriors are turning everyone against it.
I've grown up in the suburbs of a white dominated city and I NEVER experienced racism. They were all extremely friendly and 99% of my friends were white. So when I see people always trying to label white people as racist and ignorant I can't help but be annoyed.
Not all white people are bad. Not all white people ignorant. NOT ALL WHITE PEOPLE GOT THEIR JOBS BECAUSE OF "PRIVILIGE"
Believe it or not, some white people actually worked hard for their jobs. And BLM movement attempting to force every white person in existence to admit they got where they are due to "white privileges" demeans all the effort They've put into getting where they are.
Not even going to go into the "White people are racist but black people cant be racist" argument. Black people aren't excluded from being able to be racist. People saying that are stupid as **** and it's sad so many people actually think it's a legitimate argument.
There is clearly an issue in America regarding race, but the problem is that black people aren't handling it properly. Everything is always acted upon by impulse and things are never thought through. As a Black person living in America I can see the struggles other black peoples face (obviously just because I've never experienced racism doesn't mean other black people haven't) but you can't fight fire with fire. this problem won't be solved by labeling all white peoples as inherently racism and ignorant.
I'm on my phone so this is probably disjointed and all over the place but idc I have so many frustrations with this movement. I believe in what they stand for but not how they're executing everything.
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The ones who were attacked the hardest said things like ALM which has been used in racist response to BLM, or were either flippant in responding in relation to things regarding BLM (JT and Selena). Those who went and addressed them weren't wrong, but attacking then of course. That's the thing, attacking in general isn't helpful on either side. These social movements have started pockets of emotional response which is inevitable when dealing with something connected to lives.
BLM didn't start the whole 'white people are evil" narrative, although it's mainly a sentiment that is passed down from Black elders telling their experience with White people and it twisting into something. That's something that was already existing in the community nor do all of BLM even say that unlike that lady that was posted about.
I went to school with lots of White people and have been friends with a good amount my whole life as well, but I'm not gonna blame BLM for Black people who have issues with White people. It's a race issue that has existed for decades and will probably never go completely away that goes both ways.
Black people aren't handling what properly? Why is there assumed impulsiveness to handle these things. Organizations in BLM plan things to bring the community together to show concern. What are Black people supposed to do? Communicating was falling on deaf ears, not every action isn't violent with BLM, so BLM try to peacefully protest and get their point across but it still doesn't work. How is Black people handling something that is considered proper going to handle the fact that racists and institutions that never shows accountability do not care what Black individuals say?
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I don't get why people misinterpret the BLM intention.
Yes, all human lives matter. This is a general statement.
The reason BLM took form is because it seems, going by killings by law enforcement and racial bias, Black lives didn't. The hashtag/movement mobilized to remind people that they DO. Which, is not something that people should be reminded of...that alone says how messed up things are.
It's not exclusive. it's not saying only BLM, and the "too" is implied clearly. Not sure why people think it isn't?
ALM on the other hand, is very counterproductive to say when a specific minority is trying to stand up for general human rights that obviously apply to everyone. It's like standing a queue to get a commodity. By the time you reach, the commodity is OVER. You say like "Well, I DESERVE <insert commodity here>" and everyone responds with "We ALL DESERVE IT". Again, that is true, but does that change the fact that while everyone deserved it, only a few got it?
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Member Since: 5/17/2009
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
You guys keep speaking about how the movement is doing nothing but harm and further damage, but if that's the case, why aren't any of you offering better solutions or trying to help black people in a way you seem better fit? All Live Matter, right? If that's statement is so near and dear to your heart, then what are you doing to help black people, other minorities, and the issue of police brutality?
BLM do nothing but bitch and moan without looking for a solution, so I'm assuming you guys are out on the streets taking matters into your own hands, correct?
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Because if we do, then we'll be called racist for not agreeing 100% with Blacklivesmatter. It's a us vs. them mentality that they have and it's not working for them, but do what you want to do.
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Member Since: 8/24/2008
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Originally posted by RoyalT
but if I was an Afro-American
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You're not! lol
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Can everyone just shut the **** up about "all lives matter" and never ****ing talk about that again, God damn I swear people have been saying the same **** over and over and over again about that since 2014, it's tiring and literally no one needs to hear it again. That **** doesn't even matter I swear people only focus on that and NO progress has been made because people debate dumb **** like a WORD instead of what they can do about police brutality. Literally I've never seen ONE person try to offer a solution for police brutality, black or white. Everyone just protests and acts in impulsive outrage but no one actually does ****.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Buddy
Can everyone just shut the **** up about "all lives matter" and never ****ing talk about that again, God damn I swear people have been saying the same **** over and over and over again about that since 2014, it's tiring and literally no one needs to hear it again. That **** doesn't even matter I swear people only focus on that and NO progress has been made because people debate dumb **** like a WORD instead of what they can do about police brutality. Literally I've never seen ONE person try to offer a solution for police brutality, black or white. Everyone just protests and acts in impulsive outrage but no one actually does ****.
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See this is a problem too. You may not see if for your own eyes, but people are actively trying to get legislation passed to reform the police departments. Body cameras were implemented because of the BLM movement. Unfortunately, they proved to not be effective because some cops have been able to simply turn them off or claim they malfunctioned. At the heart of the anti police brutality movement, action is being took to try and change things systematically. But unfortunately, things take time and there is a lot of red tape to clear, but please don't act like people aren't out in the streets doing absolutely nothing.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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I feel like in the US, dropping the right to bear a gun would help a lot. I've noticed that a lof of times a black person has been killed by a police officer, the officer was saying the black person was reaching out for their gun. I think that'd take out a lot of excuses an officer could use when they do shot a black person.
I think there's a lot of resentment from black people towards white people, and white people don't get why since the harm was done by previous generation, and most white people today don't have racist thought. Black people being mad is totally justified though since the harm has not been repaired. Sadly, white people don't need to step up for black people as they are in a great position, I know this will make a lot of black members mad but ironically I think it's black people who'll need to make the first step towards white people (which is not ok, but don't expect a group who's consciouslyy or inconsciously in a dominant position in society to take actions in order to lose this dominant position even if it's for equality, I hate to say it but it's just not happening, and this doesn't come from a racist place, but it's pure struggle for power). And before I'm being asked, I don't know what that first step needs to be.
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I've been a BLM supporter when all of this first happen, and I still am to some extend as in I am not pleased with the way police handles things with African Americans. But as ATRL user Kkamjong mentions, those were the things that really turned me off from supporting the movement anymore as it became more violent, hateful and ignorant with some of the things they say and do.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by FBF
I think there's a lot of resentment from black people towards white people, and white people don't get why since the harm was done by previous generation, and most white people today don't have racist thought. Black people being mad is totally justified though since the harm has not been repaired. Sadly, white people don't need to step up for black people as they are in a great position, I know this will make a lot of black members mad but ironically I think it's black people who'll need to make the first step towards white people (which is not ok, but don't expect a group who's consciouslyy or inconsciously in a dominant position in society to take actions in order to lose this dominant position even if it's for equality, I hate to say it but it's just not happening, and this doesn't come from a racist place, but it's pure struggle for power). And before I'm being asked, I don't know what that first step needs to be.
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This paragraph is really smart
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Member Since: 1/4/2014
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Originally posted by Dark XXX
Do you have black relatives or something? I'm confused as to what this has to do with BLM. And it's no excuse to be abrasive in threads about race.
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my dad is black. there are some people within BLM (on social media) who perpetuate the white vs everyone narrative. And seeing how my brother has bought into it, it makes me want to constantly avoid being associated with any social justice movement. I dont think anyone should die at the hands of a cop and generally support what BLM stands for at its core but between the "we hate white people" rhetoric that is presented by some of its problematic members and the brainwashing that can happen with the more radical members, I cant bring myself to support it as a whole. And i know there's no excuse for the things ive said on this forum and the hostility i bring to race related threads. But if you had a white parent, you could possibly see where im coming from. It just makes me angry when i see members on this site and on other forms of social media spew hateful generalizations about white people and insult them, not just because im half white and have a white parent but because its a rehash of every conservation my brother and mother have as of the past couple years which ends in her calling me crying saying how my brother hates her and she doesnt know what to do, which leads to me doing the same thing which is spewing generalizations and hate messages. I guess this involves BLM because it wasnt until the emergance of the social movement that i became so alarmingly aware of the racial issues in the US. I used to think everything was fine because my family was fine. I just have a chip on my shoulder when it comes to race relations and anything involving race relations
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Originally posted by Roman Holiday
Fair enough, I can't tell you how to feel based off your personal experiences, but I'll tell you this much:
This is one of the first real posts I've seen you make and actually have been able to empathize and see your POV. The constant hostility and antagonism you've shown in the past wasn't doing you any favors in getting your point across. I feel the same goes for most people who have issues with the BLM movement. It's okay to not support every facet of the movement or the methods instilled. I'm sure there's actually many black people who may agree. But being antagonistic with posts like "All live matter, stop making everything about yourselves black people!" isn't the way to get people to hear out your concerns. Yes, there will always be people like your brother who are a very vocal minority who have a prejudice towards all white people, but you have to understand in the same way you can't generalize all white people, you can't generalize all BLM supporters when some truly just feel fed up and tired towards a system that they feel is stacked against them. Both are counterproductive. Maybe opinions differ based on region, but I've known plenty of black people in my life who get along with white people just fine and appreciate anytime they show support. I think there's a difference between hating white people and hating the idea of "whiteness" being the standard.
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I can agree 100% with all of this.
Being from an interracial family in all of this just sucks because its nearly impossible to stay neutral when it comes to conflicts. It forces you to pick a side in the matter and you either lean too far into the white side and make alarmingly racist posts and spew hate like ive done on this forum or you end up too far on the black side constantly hurt your own mother like my brother does. I try to avoid race topics as a whole but then i get called out for ignoring whats happening and then when i enter race topics, it usually ends with me either ruining my reputation even more on this site or with me just simply getting banned. I definite agree about the generalizations of both groups and how what im doing is equally as counterproductive. and while it may not seem like it online, im trying to make an effort to be more open and understanding towards social justice and its many movements especially BLM but its difficult when im now starting to see the effect of damaged race relations play out on my family. I told B'Day (the atrl member) that i was working on how i conduct myself in race threads but after what i said in the recent previous threads, i havent gotten very far..
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Member Since: 3/25/2012
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Some of yall hate black people SO much, it's actually more sad and cringeworthy than anything.
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