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Video Games: Pokemon now bigger than GTA
Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆
That only worked after four generations. Then it bombed.
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Really? Because last I checked, even Gen 5 and 6 are above 11m each sold so far.
I might need to revisit the Oxford dictionary of "bombed" because my memory is shot.
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Originally posted by The Unforgiving
Still even with the amount of money they have they're not as successful.
Rockstar released GTA on multiple platforms to appeal to different audience. For example if you used the game on old gen, you may buy it on new gen (PS4 and One), and even PC for PC players etc... but in the end the are people who only play on PC can still buy and play the game if they don't have consoles and the same goes for the other consoles. But nobody in their right mind would buy the exact same game on every platform unless they're running a business
On the other hand, Pokemon get their coins from reselling and recreating the same game to the same audience over, and over and over again. If they didn't do that would they still be as big?
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The fact is, GTA eventually branching out into a multiplatform is proof that it generated more revenue by having more available platforms.
Recreating the same game? Naw, you must be hooked on those remakes again. And yes.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by CoS
Actually the anime was created due to the success of Red and Green in Japan(which was released a year before the anime). Due to the popularity of the games, the anime was a success and because of that success, the game became even more popular. In the US, the anime came out just 2 weeks before the games. The (continued) success of Pokemon is largely thanks to the success of both the original games and the original anime series. Nonetheless, I would give more credit to the original games because without their popularity, the anime would probably have never reached a massive success or even came to be.
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Idk about other places but the Anime series is why it blew up here where I live
Red and Green wasn't a thing here before that, but everyone remembers Pokemon from the anime.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Troye
The fact is, GTA eventually branching out into a multiplatform is proof that it generated more revenue by having more available platforms.
Recreating the same game? Naw, you must be hooked on those remakes again. And yes.
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That still doesn't mean that they owe their money for reselling the game on different platforms, they sold it for different fans. They don't snatch their fans' coins repeatedly.
The game jumping from old gen to next gen to PC is all because of the success it had on PS3 and 360.
If GTA got their money from selling the game everywhere, Pokemon got their money from recycling their games.
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Member Since: 5/13/2012
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Why are people trying to compare the sales of these two? It literally makes no sense to compare them since one franchise is a console exclusive and the other is on like literally everything else. I'm pretty sure the amount of PS3/4, XB1/360 and PC gamers is higher than the amount of people that own a 3DS. Ofc a game that is available to a wider range of people will sell more.
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by The Unforgiving
That still doesn't mean that they owe their money for reselling the game on different platforms, they sold it for different fans. They don't snatch their fans' coins repeatedly.
The game jumping from old gen to next gen to PC is all because of the success it had on PS3 and 360.
If GTA got their money from selling the game everywhere, Pokemon got their money from recycling their games.
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That's precisely the whole purpose of a multiplatform game.
And the irony of that statement. You clearly don't have any real counterarguments because you're quintessentially agreeing with me.
GTA branched out into multiplatforms and as a result, it gained a larger audience to pander to. And sells more than it would have as an exclusive.
And that's subjectively an opinion because you clearly don't play Pokémon seriously to realize the extensive mechanics they've built into the series. Over the last four generations alone has seen at least a dozen major overhauls to how battles are done, breeding, time changes, seasons, catching etc.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Legit
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Google Trends means nothing.
Pokemon's Anime ratings peaked in the 90's.
Pokemon's Movie's peaking in the late 90's/early 2000's
Pokemon's Card Games peaked in the 90's/late 2000's.
Pokemon's Games peaked in the 90's.
Pokemon X & Y for 3DS was the lowest selling game for a debut on a new platform.
That's a slow decline sis. Pokemon has never reached the success that it had in the 90's. Infact, it hasn't come anywhere close.
Apart from the DS era, each Gen sells less than the previous Gen.
That's a slow decline.
Each GTA game outsells that last. That's a slow incline.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Troye
That's precisely the whole purpose of a multiplatform game.
And the irony of that statement. You clearly don't have any real counterarguments because you're quintessentially agreeing with me.
GTA branched out into multiplatforms and as a result, it gained a larger audience to pander to. And sells more than it would have as an exclusive.
And that's subjectively an opinion because you clearly don't play Pokémon seriously to realize the extensive mechanics they've built into the series. Over the last four generations alone has seen at least a dozen major overhauls to how battles are done, breeding, time changes, seasons, catching etc.
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How am I quintessentially agreeing with you*? Pokemon is NOT as big as GTA. Maybe in general, but in the video gaming industry, GTA aka talent wins.
The game that broke records, became critically acclaimed and gathered a huge fanbase that still enjoy the game to this day. All with few titles.
Pokemon could never ![sorry](images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif)
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Originally posted by The Unforgiving
How am I quintessentially agreeing with? Pokemon is NOT as big as GTA. Maybe in general, but in the video gaming industry, GTA aka talent wins.
The game that broke records, became critically acclaimed and gathered a huge fanbase that still enjoy the game to this day. All with few titles.
Pokemon could never ![sorry](images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif)
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Exactly.
Pokemon X & Y was the lowest selling Pokemon Game to Debut on a new platform.
It''s declining. Pokemon Go is a fad.
I would even say Sun & Moon will flop compared to X & Y and X & Y had already failed to match the success of previous Gens. Pokemon Go won't reignite the fanbase and sales.
Heck, Sun & Moon probably won't outsell GTA V's first week.
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Member Since: 3/14/2013
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Originally posted by The Unforgiving
How am I quintessentially agreeing with? Pokemon is NOT as big as GTA. Maybe in general, but in the video gaming industry, GTA aka talent wins.
The game that broke records, became critically acclaimed and gathered a huge fanbase that still enjoy the game to this day. All with few titles.
Pokemon could never ![sorry](images/smilies/images/smilies/sorry.gif)
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1. I told you the reason why it sold so much is the availability of its platforms. Which you then said that it jumped to the One and 4 because of its success on the PS3 and 360. Hence, multiplatforms sell more on multiple consoles than they do on one.
Sorry that the gaming industry considers Pokemon's overall lifetime game sales to be higher.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
Exactly.
Pokemon X & Y was the lowest selling Pokemon Game to Debut on a new platform.
It''s declining. Pokemon Go is a fad.
I would even say Sun & Moon will flop compared to X & Y and X & Y had already failed to match the success of previous Gens. Pokemon Go won't reignite the fanbase and sales.
Heck, Sun & Moon probably won't outsell GTA V's first week.
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And yet, the generations have consistently sold over 11-12m per gen. AND on a smaller install base of the DS/3DS line to boot.
The fact that the series is the number 2 franchise should tell you how successful this series has been over the last twenty years.
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Originally posted by Nutitle
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So Pokemon has higher overall sales and brings in more revenue from licensing a year than GTA could ever dream of?
I'm not quite seeing how GTA won. They have to push a game for about four years and put out endless content on it to push 70M whereas Pokemon can get out two/three games in that time, a new line of anime, toys, etc. and outearn and outsell GTA.
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Originally posted by Troye
1. I told you the reason why it sold so much is the availability of its platforms. Which you then said that it jumped to the One and 4 because of its success on the PS3 and 360. Hence, multiplatforms sell more on multiple consoles than they do on one.
Sorry that the gaming industry considers Pokemon's overall lifetime game sales to be higher.
And yet, the generations have consistently sold over 11-12m per gen. AND on a smaller install base of the DS/3DS line to boot.
The fact that the series is the number 2 franchise should tell you how successful this series has been over the last twenty years.
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You do know that Pokemon games exist on multiple platforms as well (Pokemon Stadium, Pokemon Snap on N64, Pokémon Colosseum on Gamecube, Pokkén Tournament on Wii U...) ?
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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Originally posted by Troye
1. I told you the reason why it sold so much is the availability of its platforms. Which you then said that it jumped to the One and 4 because of its success on the PS3 and 360. Hence, multiplatforms sell more on multiple consoles than they do on one.
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And as I said, the first gen was still an incredible success. Re-releasing the exact same title on other platforms is only the continuation of the success. Not to mention the constant demands from the fans from new gen players and PC players. But poor Pokemon who asked for ha?
Maybe 10 years ago, but GTA slaying this modern games era with few other franchises.
Even without the expansion to other platforms, it still would've been a successful game. It was already charting and selling millions when the game was first released for PS3 and 360.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Originally posted by Troye
1. I told you the reason why it sold so much is the availability of its platforms. Which you then said that it jumped to the One and 4 because of its success on the PS3 and 360. Hence, multiplatforms sell more on multiple consoles than they do on one.
Sorry that the gaming industry considers Pokemon's overall lifetime game sales to be higher.
And yet, the generations have consistently sold over 11-12m per gen. AND on a smaller install base of the DS/3DS line to boot.
The fact that the series is the number 2 franchise should tell you how successful this series has been over the last twenty years.
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No one is saying Pokemon is a flop, but it's impossible to rebute it's been on a slow decline since the 90's and isn't peaking now just because Google Trends says it is
GTA V sold 65 million. The Pokemon audience KNOW they need to buy a 3DS to play Pokemon, it's not like it was announced as an exclusive after they bought a Vita.
That's why a lot of Wii U games sell almost as much as the console itself. People know they to need to buy Nintendo to play Nintendo.
It's simply the dedicated, pay to play Audience isn't as big as before. Pokemon Go has no relevance to the current success of the franchise, in the way GTA is relevant to the franchise's success.
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Originally posted by gloamingtheplain
No one is saying Pokemon is a flop, but it's impossible to rebute it's been on a slow decline since the 90's and isn't peaking now just because Google Trends says it is
GTA V sold 65 million. The Pokemon audience KNOW they need to buy a 3DS to play Pokemon, it's not like it was announced as an exclusive after they bought a Vita.
That's why a lot of Wii U games sell almost as much as the console itself. People know they to need to buy Nintendo to play Nintendo.
It's simply the dedicated, pay to play Audience isn't as big as before. Pokemon Go has no relevance to the current success of the franchise, in the way GTA is relevant to the franchise's success.
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Exactly. I buy a home console everytime a Zelda game is released yet I would never do it for Pokemon games on hand consoles, and many people have the same reasoning.
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One is free, the other is 60 bucks with a Mature 17+ advisory rating.
Not a fair comparison, don't you think?
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Well duh, Pokemon was never below GTA. GTA as a game franchise maybe bigger nowaday but Pokemon is much more than gaming lol, actually it's the biggest franchise/ phenomenon in the last two decades, has made over 40 billion in USD that rivaling Star Wars.
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Member Since: 5/13/2012
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I don't understand why people are trying to discredit Pokemon?
Gen 1 and 2 are the best selling games on the GameBoy
The Gen 3 games are the best selling games on the GBA by a LONG shot
Pokemon X and Y are literally the best selling 3DS game
Even the DS games are still near the top of the best selling DS games
Some people are trying too hard. Pokemon has been consistently slaying for 20 years now. How is that not impressive
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Originally posted by mdnazn
One is free, the other is 60 bucks with a Mature 17+ advisory rating.
Not a fair comparison, don't you think?
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Freemium is not free. Pokemon Go will rake in hundreds of millions. Just give it another week or two and the users will start having to pay to level up.
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