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Poll: Communism vs Capitalism
View Poll Results: Which one?
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Communism
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21.15% |
Capitalism
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78.85% |
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Member Since: 4/7/2012
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I have to say... I am shocked at how many people on ATRL are against socialism and equality. I think that was enough for me. Go home and ask your parents about what you should argue next, I'm done arguing with you guys.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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oh I see. One must be here for unconditional equal opportunity if they are here for equal rights? Hmmm.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Giliap
Well you see, not all socialists believe we should have to "give our money away" to just any stranger.
I believe the people who truly need other's help should get the help they need. Government should enforce that. It's only right. Granted, these people who need help should be regulated so no one takes advantage of the system... but how can someone be so selfish? If you truly can't get passed helping someone, you deserve to be forced to help.
Besides, if everyone had equal opportunity, the need for such help would be dramatically reduced.
People need to learn empathy and think about if they were in someone else's shoes every now and then.
Stop making excuses for evil, selfish people.
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Im speaking about communism (from latin COMMUNIS) in its core in that post. I have no problem with social democracy in Scandinavia. Do you think I dont want the world to be selfless, less evil ? Ofc I want, but thats the pure utopia. Just look at the common state of current politics - ex. Russia x Ukraine, Iran, North Korea etc. We may have more technologies but in core we are still selfish and evil, we havent learnt anything since our birth. We are not just aware souls. We have still pretty "animal" brain with individual hiearchy of needs. A lot of us are predatores in the same way as there are alpha beings in animal packs. Desperate to rule and control others.
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Originally posted by Damien M
Sweden, Denmark + Norway have some of the highest GDPs in the world
lowest poverty rates
high income per household
almost zero corruption
...and there are literally no poor people. Everything is subsidized to a degree.
That's the way forward.
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
Posts: 20,576
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Originally posted by Caesar
The US really needs to take notes
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You see it doesn't work that way. Different economic systems work for different countries because of their culture. Americans have a capitalist point of view because their culture allows that. Americans have a culture of hard work ethic, and extreme individualism. Capitalism works and has worked because of that. Socialism can work to a degree like better regulation and what not but not to the extent of Scandinavian countries.
It's similar to forcing a democracy on a country that values authoritarianism.
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Originally posted by Giliap
I have to say... I am shocked at how many people on ATRL are against socialism and equality. I think that was enough for me. Go home and ask your parents about what you should argue next, I'm done arguing with you guys.
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I already told you. Socialism for most eastern people is linked with Soviet domination. Is it really so hard to comprehend ? Maybe you should try to growing up in post communist country and be the one who feels soviet socialism and then capitalism with their own skin.
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
You see it doesn't work that way. Different economic systems work for different countries because of their culture. Americans have a capitalist point of view because their culture allows that. Americans have a culture of hard work ethic, and extreme individualism. Capitalism works and has worked because of that. Socialism can work to a degree like better regulation and what not but not to the extent of Scandinavian countries.
It's similar to forcing a democracy on a country that values authoritarianism.
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Which is a shame. Ya'll should come together because the American Dream no longer exists.
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Member Since: 8/7/2010
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Originally posted by Jolie's Lips
I also don't believe all humans are equal.
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Tehehe
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
You see it doesn't work that way. Different economic systems work for different countries because of their culture. Americans have a capitalist point of view because their culture allows that. Americans have a culture of hard work ethic, and extreme individualism. Capitalism works and has worked because of that. Socialism can work to a degree like better regulation and what not but not to the extent of Scandinavian countries.
It's similar to forcing a democracy on a country that values authoritarianism.
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True, the American society could work way better if there were more opportunities
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Cola.drinker
I already told you. Socialism for most eastern people is linked with Soviet domination. Is it really so hard to comprehend ? Maybe you should try to growing up in post communist country and be the one who feels soviet socialism and then capitalism with their own skin.
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Capitalism and socialism are two different things. Capitalism is an unregulated system with no government intervention. Meaning a man can be wealthy one day and poor the next, and vice versa. Socialism allows for regulations and a net so that wealthy man can have something to fall back on. It's what the government should do…protect it's people. Capitalism is every man for himself. We live in a world where there is no pure capitalism, it's mixed with socialism. Seriously tell me how many pure capitalist countries there are verses mixed?
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Caesar
True, the American society could work way better if there were more opportunities
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There are many opportunities people just don't grab on to them. Which is good for me because I take advantage of that. Which has given me a good position in life today.
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Originally posted by Javan
Which is a shame. Ya'll should come together because the American Dream no longer exists.
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Not true it does. Not only for me but for many other first generation Americans whose parents worked to their position. Both my parents and their siblings payed for college and all of them are living pretty damn good. That's what the American Dream is, going from nothing to something.
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Precolonial Africa had the very best capitalist system and y'all will deal.
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I also don't believe all humans are equal.
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Care to explain sis
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Not true it does. Not only for me but for many other first generation Americans whose parents worked to their position. Both my parents and their siblings payed for college and all of them are living pretty damn good. That's what the American Dream is, going from nothing to something.
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Having comfortable life based on inheritance doesn't sound very American Dream to me. I was talking more crawling out of poverty.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by Javan
Having comfortable life based on inheritance doesn't sound very American Dream to me. I was talking more crawling out of poverty.
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That IS the American Dream--to create a better future for the next generation.
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You cant just plant the model of a government that works for Denmark, Sweden, and Norway into the U.S. The population, resource availability, superpower status, culture etc. all contribute for too large of differences for it to have the same effect in the U.S. It just doesnt work like that, its not that simple..
Anyway, the poll really should be Socialism vs. Capitalism since not even the Soviet Union could consider itself a communist government. Yes there was a communist party, but there style of government was authoritative socialism.
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Originally posted by L/\DY G/\G/\
You cant just plant the model of a government that works for Denmark, Sweden, and Norway into the U.S. The population, resource availability, superpower status, culture etc. all contribute for too large of differences for it to have the same effect in the U.S. It just doesnt work like that, its not that simple..
Anyway, the poll really should be Socialism vs. Capitalism since not even the Soviet Union could consider itself a communist government. Yes there was a communist party, but there style of government was authoritative socialism.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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My parents grew up dirt poor and worked their way up. It's possible. Complaining gets you nowhere in life.
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Member Since: 1/11/2011
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Originally posted by Flanders
Neither of them actually work. I prefer socialism
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Bye.
That just doesn't work, not in this world.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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In theory, communism > capitalism, but it would never work.
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