So I've been clicking and listening to all of the examples you people posted. They all sound like western rejects and recycles. Mainly American pop (some with hints of RnB), pop-rock, but also heavily from Russian pop (no surprise given the neighbouring status), especially that Gains song. Also, all I'm seeing is dancing dancing dancing, weak vocals, cheap music* production (emphasis on music*, as we are talking about music here, before you start firing at me with your expensive videos). I'm done giving this a try. It's all super basic.
To return to the question in the OP. No, this type of music will never smash in US. They already have cheap basic pop there in the form of Maroon 5, cheap pop rock like Twenty One Pilots, cheap pop-rnb like a lot of Chris Brown pop leaning songs. US is too closed-minded to give quality foreign music a chance, I don't see them giving this type of music a chance unless it's another novelty stuff like Psy. And you can only have same type of novelty once.
So I've been clicking and listening to all of the examples you people posted. They all sound like western rejects and recycles. Mainly American pop (some with hints of RnB), pop-rock, but also heavily from Russian pop (no surprise given the neighbouring status), especially that Gains song. Also, all I'm seeing is dancing dancing dancing, weak vocals, cheap music* production (emphasis on music*, as we are talking about music here, before you start firing at me with your expensive videos). I'm done giving this a try. It's all super basic.
To return to the question in the OP. No, this type of music will never smash in US. They already have cheap basic pop there in the form of Maroon 5, cheap pop rock like Twenty One Pilots, cheap pop-rnb like a lot of Chris Brown pop leaning songs. US is too closed-minded to give quality foreign music a chance, I don't see them giving this type of music a chance unless it's another novelty stuff like Psy. And you can only have same type of novelty once.
Brando, I know you're full of it if you're saying K-pop's MUSIC production is cheap, as it's absolutely not. Kpop tracks have been glossy as a whole since 2008 or so, with only a few examples in the mainstream arising contrary to industry benchmarks of good sound design. Kpop music production is expensive af, they don't cut on the music. The Boys is a great example, actually, it sounds great and full and punchy (Actually produced by Teddy Riley, too!)
Well, I only managed to sit through 30 seconds of one of their songs and it was pop-rock.
Wikipedia lists their genres as alt hip hop, indie pop, rock, so I can't be that far off.
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Brando, I know you're full of it if you're saying K-pop's MUSIC production is cheap, as it's absolutely not. Kpop tracks have been glossy as a whole since 2008 or so, with only a few examples in the mainstream arising contrary to industry benchmarks of good sound design. Kpop music production is expensive af, they don't cut on the music. The Boys is a great example, actually, it sounds great and full and punchy (Actually produced by Teddy Riley, too!)
The only song with good production that I heard so far was the song that Butters posted. I Am You, You Are Me. I'm sure there's plenty more, but I'm kinda tired now, lemme exit this thread.
So I've been clicking and listening to all of the examples you people posted. They all sound like western rejects and recycles. Mainly American pop (some with hints of RnB), pop-rock, but also heavily from Russian pop (no surprise given the neighbouring status), especially that Gains song. Also, all I'm seeing is dancing dancing dancing, weak vocals, cheap music* production (emphasis on music*, as we are talking about music here, before you start firing at me with your expensive videos). I'm done giving this a try. It's all super basic.
To return to the question in the OP. No, this type of music will never smash in US. They already have cheap basic pop there in the form of Maroon 5, cheap pop rock like Twenty One Pilots, cheap pop-rnb like a lot of Chris Brown pop leaning songs. US is too closed-minded to give quality foreign music a chance, I don't see them giving this type of music a chance unless it's another novelty stuff like Psy. And you can only have same type of novelty once.
I have no idea where have you gotten the Russian pop idea, I'm originally Russian and nothing in K-Pop sounds like it
The only song with good production that I heard so far was the song that Butters posted. I Am You, You Are Me. I'm sure there's plenty more, but I'm kinda tired now, lemme exit this thread.
Can it. You're talking about production meaning "I don't like the way this sounds". Then say that. But know that 97% of Kpop DOES have good production in where it meets industry standards.
It won't smash ever because it lacks emotional connection. The first problem is the lack of lyrics that people can understand. Sure some bops are served. Spica - I Did It and Stellar - Vibrato both slayed me tbh but in reality the genre feels vain.
And secondly all the music itself sounds uninspired and emotionless also. Even though classical music for example doesn't always have lyrics, it still evokes emotion as any musical score can prove. Also a song like Klingande's Jubel that smashed in European markets has little lyrics but evokes emotion through it's music and has a ephoric feel. I don't get this from KPop
Mess at View and Save Me being Chris Brown rejects. And y'all have some nerve judging people who listen to K-Pop and calling us close minded when y'all keep clinging to the latest top 40 hits and don't listen to anything besides what's charting at the moment lmao.
Mess at View and Save Me being Chris Brown rejects. And y'all have some nerve judging people who listen to K-Pop and calling us close minded when y'all keep clinging to the latest top 40 hits and don't listen to anything besides what's charting at the moment lmao.
It won't smash ever because it lacks emotional connection. The first problem is the lack of lyrics that people can understand. Sure some bops are served. Spica - I Did It and Stellar - Vibrato both slayed me tbh but in reality the genre feels vain.
And secondly all the music itself sounds uninspired and emotionless also. Even though classical music for example doesn't always have lyrics, it still evokes emotion as any musical score can prove. Also a song like Klingande's Jubel that smashed in European markets has little lyrics but evokes emotion through it's music and has a ephoric feel. I don't get this from KPop
Mess at you saying it sounds emotionless while my friend broke a pencil listening to this song becaue the emotions were too strong for her to handle
Mess at you saying it sounds emotionless while my friend broke a pencil listening to this song becaue the emotions were too strong for her to handle
Well the problem is that Europeans/Americans won't understand the lyrics and most would never look up to read them.
The music itself sound basic and uninspired.
And finally the whiny vocals sound like he's singing about some sort of bad experience but in reality, they lack the soul that Western markets like and connect with such as black vocals like Whitney etc. or soulful white artists like Adele. In the song you chose the vocals seem overproduced and drowned out by the basic music. In comparison to a song like 'Forever Don't Last' by Jazmine Sullivan .... well, there is no comparison
I have no idea where have you gotten the Russian pop idea, I'm originally Russian and nothing in K-Pop sounds like it
I believe some of the songs kinda remind of the Serebro/Via Gra songs that tend to be pretty uninspired (even their English albums sound all the same and it took me a lot to appreciate the Mama Lover album). I can see his point, but they're not that similar.
I can also see why Brando calls most k-pop songs' production "cheap", but I would rather use "overproduced". The vocals are usually weak and unrecognizable, so I can see why they overproduce songs.
Well the problem is that Europeans/Americans won't understand the lyrics and most would never look up to read them.
The music itself sound basic and uninspired.
And finally the whiny vocals sound like he's singing about some sort of bad experience but in reality, they lack the soul that Western markets like and connect with such as black vocals like Whitney etc. or soulful white artists like Adele. In the song you chose the vocals seem overproduced and drowned out by the basic music. In comparison to a song like 'Forever Don't Last' by Jazmine Sullivan .... well, there is no comparison
I agree with this. I still haven't heard a soulful ballad in k-pop with strong vocals and simple production like this one (in Polish language, so incomprehensible to most of us, but lots of emotional deliver).
The only A-pop ballad that can be considered so I've heard is Jolin Tsai's "I Know You're Feeling Blue" which bored me to death.
I agree with this. I still haven't heard a soulful ballad in k-pop with strong vocals and simple production like this one (in Polish language, so incomprehensible to most of us, but lots of emotional deliver).
The only A-pop ballad that can be considered so I've heard is Jolin Tsai's "I Know You're Feeling Blue" which bored me to death.
but in reality the genre feels vain.
