[MonsterPaw]

Give them their independence if they want it so bad. I don't get it tho. Not just with the UK but basically with every other country. Just stay together. Stop this nonsense. Most of these countries can't survive alone anyway. Just stay together and be strong together. This whole independence mess will just hurt both Scotland and the UK. Scotland probably more than the UK.

[Goosey]

Originally posted by MonsterPaw

Give them their independence if they want it so bad. I don't get it tho. Not just with the UK but basically with every other country.

"Colonize ha"

[Austin]

It's a shame most of the Scots voting yes are only doing so out of an irrational hatred of the English Tbh It doesn't actually bother me if they go or not, but they will definitely be far worse off independent.

[Goosey]

Originally posted by Austin

It doesn't actually bother me if they go or not, but they will definitely be far worse off independent.

Originally posted by Austin

Location: UK

[Austin]

Originally posted by Goosey

?? What's your point. I'm actually Irish.

This whole campaign is so ridiculously nationalist, and nationalism is a step away from racism. Scots are so discriminatory towards the English - for example the fact that people from EVERY country in the EU including Wales & Northern Ireland can go to uni in Scotland for lower tuition fees, but not the English. Also, I was in Edinburgh last year for the fringe festival and one of the props in our play was a Union Jack. When we were flyering a middle aged man came and SPAT at my friends shoes and shouted 'give us back our flag you scum' in her face. Disgusting

[buckingfastard]

Karma is a bitch isn't it ?

Great Britain had always use Divide and rule policy in their colonies and now they can't stop scotland from separating

[Buyonce1814]

I hope they don't change the flag because then this would feel different

[Kiddo.]

Originally posted by Austin

I was in Edinburgh last year for the fringe festival and one of the props in our play was a Union Jack. When we were flyering a middle aged man came and SPAT at my friends shoes and shouted 'give us back our flag you scum' in her face. Disgusting

W0w. And I thought racism was only in the US.

[Solopop]

The English throughout history have been the biggest ****s to the scots, Margaret Thatcher destroyed Scotland. Stop acting like the English are the victims.

[Eóghan Scherzy]

Originally posted by Solopop

The English throughout history have been the biggest ****s to the scots, Margaret Thatcher destroyed Scotland. Stop acting like the English are the victims.

Why are they mad tho' ?
They have no say in this, this is a scottish matter

[Goosey]

Originally posted by Solopop

The English throughout history have been the biggest ****s to the scots, Margaret Thatcher destroyed Scotland. Stop acting like the English are the victims.

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[Jack!]

Stop @ the racism comments. I'm not denying it happens, but the English are just as bad towards the Scots.

[Grumpy Gills]

You're almost a free bitch, baby

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by MonsterPaw

Give them their independence if they want it so bad. I don't get it tho. Not just with the UK but basically with every other country. Just stay together. Stop this nonsense. Most of these countries can't survive alone anyway. Just stay together and be strong together. This whole independence mess will just hurt both Scotland and the UK. Scotland probably more than the UK.

How would you feel if another country decided your Government/President/Prime Minister/whatever? You get a vote, of course, but that other country vastly outnumbers your own. Then take into consideration that that country has been dicks to yours and the entire world for centuries and that you and it have different political views (Scotland is left leaning, England is right leaning, vast majority of Scots want to be nuke free, England stores its nukes in Scotland, etc.), if you don't even slightly understand why a feeling of needing independence would form from that then I dunno what to say.


I love how there's so many examples in this thread that show exactly why the Better Together campaign has crumbled in the past month (this exact same polling company was showing 39% Yes constantly until a month ago). Better Together is telling people to sit down, shut up and be happy with what they've got - change is bad. Whereas Yes is telling everyone to get up and get involved, discuss with your friends and family, fight for change. BT argues irrelevant macroeconomic topics (We won't have the pound!!!) which people in the real world don't particularly care about, whilst YS argues that we're wasting money on weapons of mass destruction and that our hospitals will be forced to close and privatise. Is it any surprise the tide is turning and Westminster is going into a panic?


I'm just glad that at this point change is guaranteed. It's impossible for this 'constitional crisis', as the Guardian puts it, to not result in something happening. Hopefully England realises it needs devolution and a Federal System evolves out of this.

[geo]

Originally posted by Benjamin

How would you feel if another country decided your Government/President/Prime Minister/whatever? You get a vote, of course, but that other country vastly outnumbers your own. Then take into consideration that that country has been dicks to yours and the entire world for centuries and that you and it have different political views (Scotland is left leaning, England is right leaning, vast majority of Scots want to be nuke free, England stores its nukes in Scotland, etc.), if you don't even slightly understand why a feeling of needing independence would form from that then I dunno what to say.

The whole point of democracy is that you don't always get the government you vote for. Looking at opinion polls Scotland will force a Labour government next year with their 40+ Scottish Labour MPs even though England will probably vote Conservative. Also Scottish MPs can vote on laws that affect only England whereas the reverse is not true. We have as much of a case to go for English independence to be honest.

[Austin]

Obviously racism happens in England but they aren't the ones going on a nationalistic campaign like I said I was born in the Republic of Ireland so I have no loyalty to England, in fact I have more reason to hate them than scots do, but even I can see that being with them is far more beneficial for Scotland

[Big Smoke]

Originally posted by Goosey

They sent in the red coats and killed a bunch of Highlanders to steal their land same with Ireland and the Black & Tans.

Alba gu bràth!

Not really. Scotland tried to get in the colonizing game of the West and failed and begged England for assistance.

Now that may be slightly irrelevant now because Scotland has some oil, but there arent any (actual) Scottish companies to yank it out the ground, so the only option is that they get raped like Nigeria is getting now. Tobago has been trying talking secession for a minute now (I'm Trini) and havent been able to for that exact reason.

[Benjamin]

Originally posted by geo

The whole point of democracy is that you don't always get the government you vote for. Looking at opinion polls Scotland will force a Labour government next year with their 40+ Scottish Labour MPs even though England will probably vote Conservative. Also Scottish MPs can vote on laws that affect only England whereas the reverse is not true. We have as much of a case to go for English independence to be honest.

Which will be the first time since World War 2 that the Scottish result has mattered in a General Election, assuming the opinion polls are dead on right and not off by a couple percent. Our vote maybe counting once every 70 years isn't exactly a good argument against independence, our support is usually irrelevant to the main 'British' parties - if they have to choose between pleasing Scotland and pleasing England they will (rightfully, as they are the much bigger country) choose the latter. Why are we meant to be happy with being second most important citizens? I don't see why you're treating English independence as an absurd thought though? They have no reason to support it as they are the majority and so are pretty much an independent nation already, but there's no reason not to support it.

Originally posted by Austin

Obviously racism happens in England but they aren't the ones going on a nationalistic campaign like I said I was born in the Republic of Ireland so I have no loyalty to England, in fact I have more reason to hate them than scots do, but even I can see that being with them is far more beneficial for Scotland

It hasn't been about Nationalism for months, if not years. This is about the future of a country and countless generations of its citizens, not something stupid like 'Yaaas Scotland >>> England'

[HighwayHooker]

Hopefully the north of Ireland will follow

[Neptune]

Originally posted by Solopop

Haha all the English acting as if Scotland will fail despite the fact that they have all the oil in the UK.

No actually. Sea borders follow land borders, and the English/Scottish border is diagonal, which means the border cuts through the North Sea oil reserves.