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Discussion: Gaga exceeds estimates + goes #1, why the downplay?
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Originally posted by ♚ PRiNCE HiGH ♚
She DID exceed expectations and estimates. WTH are you even talking about?
Go check out the first weeks sales predictions for C#1C 
She did EXTREMELY well with ZERO radio support and we all know how much radios can help.
I'm sure you know that fact very well too.
Wait just a ****ing second, did you seriously expect a JAZZ COVER song to chart in the top100 with ZERO radio support. Their sole intentions with this album was to sell the ALBUM. Jazz/holiday albums don't work like pop albums. Which is why the released as many singles as they could, to let the gp know how incredible the Queen of Pop and Jazz alongside Legend Tony sound on this new record.
Celebrating a #1 for a JAZZ album is a big ****ing deal and we WILL make it a big ****ing deal.
So did Barbra AND Kenny.All three albums were discounted therefore it was basically a battle to see who gets the #1 and T&G snatched it.
That's pure ******** because Ariana, Britney, Andy Cohen, Brian May are NOT her labelmates.
Tony's last album had collaborations with TONS of big names in the music industry (John Mayer, Mariah Carey, Amy Winehouse, Michael Buble, Aretha Franklin, Sheryl Crow, Queen Latifah, Norah Jones, Josh Groban, Andrea Bocelli, Faith Hill, Alejandro Sanz AND Carrie Underwood) excluding Gaga PLUS it was released two months AFTER Amy passed away. The single used to promote the album before it was released was Body and Soul which was a duet with Amy Winehouse (of course).
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I think she did well considering the odds against her. I don't really care for the album either way.
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Originally posted by retromaury
Tony always does those numbers, in fact his last album opened with bigger numbers
So having Gaga attached to the project didn't cause the album to debut at number 1, if anything it hurt his sales
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They opened better than his last album.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Are people downplaying her success though?
The fact that she sold 20K more than expected is more of an example of you overplaying it. It's not that much to be off by.
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Originally posted by swissman
Are people downplaying her success though?
The fact that she sold 20K more than expected is more of an example of you overplaying it. It's not that much to be off by.
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Yes.
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Originally posted by Meowster
Yes.
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People downplay everyone's success though, even people more unworthy of being downplayed.
Gaga and Tony opened at #1 but with not very impressive sales, even if they exceeded expectations (is it not the lowest #1 debut of the year?)
Katy has one of the best selling albums of the years, multiple hits, etc. yet she is still downplayed by some.
It's just a thing here. The best you can do is clock when someone says something inaccurate but for the most part people will shade whenever their insecurity flares up. You know that if this album had debuted at #12 with 400,000 sales people would still be tearing it apart because they can find a flaw, just like how her stans are praising the #1 debut despite such a low number because they can spot a benefit.
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Because when it comes to Gaga...people love to surround her with negativity!! They love to tear her down and beat her up!! I say congratulations to her on a project you can clearly tell she put a ton of heart and soul into...besides the fact that it's just an AMAZING album!!
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Originally posted by swissman
People downplay everyone's success though, even people more unworthy of being downplayed.
Gaga and Tony opened at #1 but with not very impressive sales, even if they exceeded expectations (is it not the lowest #1 debut of the year?)
It's just a thing here. The best you can do is clock when someone says something inaccurate but for the most part people will shade whenever their insecurity flares up.
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The lack of self-awareness
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You should have included those Britney and Selena's tweets leading some people to buy the album. That's promo as well.
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Originally posted by swissman
People downplay everyone's success though, even people more unworthy of being downplayed.
Gaga and Tony opened at #1 but with not very impressive sales, even if they exceeded expectations (is it not the lowest #1 debut of the year?)
Katy has one of the best selling albums of the years, multiple hits, etc. yet she is still downplayed by some.
It's just a thing here. The best you can do is clock when someone says something inaccurate but for the most part people will shade whenever their insecurity flares up. You know that if this album had debuted at #12 with 400,000 sales people would still be tearing it apart because they can find a flaw, just like how her stans are praising the #1 debut despite such a low number because they can spot a benefit.
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You keep going on about the "low number" but you are giving literally no significance to the genre or style. You are giving no context to this number. You are only calling it low relative to other debuts of albums in literally every genre and context possible.
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Originally posted by blaggot
they're pressed and stressed. probably got bald spots from pulling their hair out in frustration from seeing her name at the #1 spot on the bb200
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Originally posted by Scuba_Dive
The lack of self-awareness
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Are you saying that opening with one of the lowest #1 sales of the year is impressive? This isn't about insecurity, as much as you'd like that to be the case. This is just fact based. I think this is great for Gaga, I'm glad for her success I just don't think that it should be hyped that much considering the reality of it.
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Originally posted by Retro
You keep going on about the "low number" but you are giving literally no significance to the genre or style. You are giving no context to this number. You are only calling it low relative to other debuts of albums in literally every genre and context possible.
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The Billboard 200 is what we are discussing and it gives no significance to genre or style, so why should I? I was discussing chart position and sales which is black-and-white. What does context have to do with it aside from it being a way to excuse the sales of the record?
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The album pulled great numbers. The only irritating thing is Little Monsters acting like Gaga pulled those numbers when Tony pulled more numbers last album which clearly indicates he didn't need Gaga's help and in no way did Gaga fuel those sales.
Giving Gaga the credit is idiotic, but I guess because Gaga's name is on it, LM will run around claiming it to be HER success.
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Lol. The floppage of ARTPOP has made the monsters have low standards.
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Originally posted by swissman
The Billboard 200 is what we are discussing and it gives no significance to genre or style, so why should I? I was discussing chart position and sales which is black-and-white. What does context have to do with it aside from it being a way to excuse the sales of the record?
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Because jazz is a very low selling genre in general (only 5 million jazz albums have been sold in 2014) 
131k is amazing for a pure jazz covers album, nobody is touching these numbers with a jazz album in 2014
C2C alone will make the entire genre sales increase by 10% (if it goes gold), no other artist/album is doing that.
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Originally posted by Kkamjong
The album pulled great numbers. The only irritating thing is Little Monsters acting like Gaga pulled those numbers when Tony pulled more numbers last album which clearly indicates he didn't need Gaga's help and in no way did Gaga fuel those sales.
Giving Gaga the credit is idiotic, but I guess because Gaga's name is on it, LM will run around claiming it to be HER success.
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His last album (without Gaga) debuted with like 36k? Unless you're talking about Duets 2, his only other #1 album, which also featured Gaga. His solo albums are mostly flops, while Gaga already has 3 other solo #1 albums, proving that Gaga's name is selling the album, not Tony.
Gaga deserves 100% credit for this, sorry.
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Originally posted by slobro
Because jazz is a very low selling genre in general (only 5 million jazz albums have been sold in 2014)
C2C alone will make the entire genre sales increase by 10%, no other artist/album has really saved a genre like that
131k is amazing for a pure jazz covers album, nobody is touching these numbers with a jazz album in 2014 |
Of course these things should be considered before emphatically judging the album's success, but these things also do not automatically make it bigger than it was either.
You've mentioned how this albums success was limited from the start, but we should also look at how it's success was bolstered. Here we have two important superstars. One is already a legend, the other has potential to be one and is one of the biggest stars in the world. No other jazz album has been released by stars of their magnitude this year, so it's rather conceivable that in a genre that sells so little, that two people like this would be able to increase it's sales by 10%.
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Originally posted by slobro
Because jazz is a very low selling genre in general (only 5 million jazz albums have been sold in 2014)
131k is amazing for a pure jazz covers album, nobody is touching these numbers with a jazz album in 2014
C2C alone will make the entire genre sales increase by 10% (if it goes gold), no other artist/album (certainly not one of the pop girls) is doing that. |
Yeah, because the combined starpower of Gaga and Tony Bennett is on the same level as all other jazz artists???
The logic you all use is terrible.
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Originally posted by slobro
Gaga deserves 100% credit for this, sorry.
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lol. What?
Gaga deserves ALL credit? Is that because of Gaga's well known jazz-fanbase, while his fans prefer pop music?
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
Yeah, because the combined starpower of Gaga and Tony Bennett is on the same level as all other jazz artists???
The logic you all use is terrible.
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If you look at the #1 Jazz debuts of the year, the biggest star to have a #1 is Michael Bublé with 195,000 copies sold. Gaga is a much bigger star than he is, and I'd say he is just slightly bigger than Tony in the Jazz world. The rest of the #1s were from no household name other than Harry Connick Jr. who is not a huge star outside that community, though is well known.
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