She takes small trends like dustep or the mike will made it sound
Things that are not known to GP and makes them big
That's true, but just because a genre exists doesn't mean an artist is "following a trend". If that was the case, we could argue that 98% of artists in the world are just following trends.
I'm not going to bother watching that video, since I said "yes, she probably can".
But the general public don't know she can do that sort of music, because she released 10 (yes, TEN) electropop songs in a row. From 2008 to mid-2011, she released NOTHING but electropop songs. That's all most of the general public has heard from her.
Maybe he means she/her label recognize trends first and then jump on them the fastest.
But personally, when I listen to most Rihanna albums, there's usually lots of different styles of music on each one, so I think she's prepared for whatever type of music gets popular.
Like on Unapologetic, she has a dance song, a piano ballad, some hip hop songs, a trap song, an R&B ballad, an acoustic song, and so on. So whatever type of music might make a comeback during 2013 she'll have something to release.
So you're saying that Rihanna basically covers her bases and then releases depending on what's popular?
While there is some truth to that, I think actually recognising underground trends and making songs of genres that mainstream hasn't (really) heard yet is an honorable feat in itself.
for the sake of this poll, as much as i enjoy p!nk, she is no longer an artist of high calibre. like kelly clarkson, she uses the same formula every era. their predictability renders their work stale. their staleness can not innovate. as of 2013, p!nk and kelly clarkson do not bring anything new to the table, unlike timeless and limitless rihanna.
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And Rihanna? You must be unaware of her 7-album discography. She's done pop, R&B, dancehall, reggae, dance-pop, hip-hop, rap, electropop, EDM, Euro-pop, hell even electro-R&B. The Queen remains the most innovative. I mean, who could send two ballads to the top of the Hot 100 (Diamonds and Take a Bow), an EDM song (We Found Love), a dance-pop song (SOS & Only Girl), a Euro-pop song (S&M), and even hip-hop songs (Live Your Life and Love the Way You Lie)? No other pop stars are doing all of that but the Queen of Pop.
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Rihanna has evolved as an artist..and people who claim she doesn't have a hand in anything are delusional as well. If you listen to "Unapologetic" you can see the different facets of her personality and her life. And the production is AMAZING. She effortlessly shifts from pop to alternative to reggae to rnb. She is MUSIC.
Those are three R&B songs, I hear no difference in genre.
Innovation does not simply mean recording a bunch of different genres. That is one way to innovate if you do each genre in an interesting, new way. But the act of making music in different genres is not innovative.
Using your way of thinking, that Baby Boy, Upgrade U, and Love on Top are all just R&B, you will see that they are really innovative R&B, because none of those are traditional R&B as you'd expect from the 2000s. Adding (in order) elements of reggae and dancehall, hip hop, and throwback disco, these songs are building on the established R&B sound of the times.
End of Time is still pretty R&B, as is Countdown, and I Miss You and most of 4's tracks so I really can't see how anyone could say Beyonce is holding the industry back when she's the one not releasing easy pop songs.
I don't think that "releasing electro pop music" and nothing else shows that an artist is holding back the industry at all... lol. If an electro pop artist can release a single of different genre and it be successful I think we have living proof that they're not holding anything back (See: Gaga, Rihanna)
That's true, but just because a genre exists doesn't mean an artist is "following a trend". If that was the case, we could argue that 98% of artists in the world are just following trends.
With popstars most of the time that's true
There have only been a few times when popstars have really innovated
I can only think of Justin's Future Sex era and Nelly's Loose era right now
Adele is another example but she wasn't a popstar
Maybe Confession on a Dancefloor is another example since no one was making dance/disco music at the time
I guess I'd say Katy, P!nk and even Ke$ha are the top 3 that fit this criteria.
I'd exclude Ke$ha had she not released C'Mon as a single but
Katy is easily #1 holding back the industry IMO. There's nothing unique or special
about her work as of late and all of it is generic and distasteful. She can do better.
This is a hard question to answer. But I'd have to say Britney Spears.
At this point in her career, she really isn't offering much to the industry. While her sound can keep changing, it feels more like the producers are changing, not Britney Spears. She is the perfect example of a pop star with an okay voice gaining huge popularity because of catchy songs. In our generation, she is the archetype of this type of person. And I feel that because of this, she is most holding the industry back from those with great voices and talents (more than just peppy dancing) who could offer the industry much more if given the chance.
All the other girls have a distinct style that adds flavour to the industry. Britney has a style but it's extremely watered down to me.
The only right answers are Katy Perry and Ke$ha because they literally repeat the kind of music they make. Not progressive at all. I kiii'd when I read Katy was working with Dr. Luke again.
Here's why answering someone else other than those two is delusional.
Pink may not have diverse style in the music but she's not holding the industry back with those album sales. You can help the industry through other ways than just music. If you can sell albums, you are helping the industry. The Truth About Love has sold 3 million copies and that's amazing in this age.
Gaga is not holding the industry back with he tour grosses, album, and singles sales. She holds two of the most successful digital songs of all time (Poker Face and Just Dance). She, along with others, is credited for pushing dance music forward. She's doing her part.
Rihanna has done so many genres it's not even funny to say she's regressive.
Beyoncé has done a great job of making R&B songs really popular. She is also able to switch it up every album.
Britney has aided in the push of certain trends, like the dubstep that was found in pop music for a bit after Femme Fatale dropped.
Innovation does not simply mean recording a bunch of different genres. That is one way to innovate if you do each genre in an interesting, new way. But the act of making music in different genres is not innovative.
Using your way of thinking, that Baby Boy, Upgrade U, and Love on Top are all just R&B, you will see that they are really innovative R&B, because none of those are traditional R&B as you'd expect from the 2000s. Adding (in order) elements of reggae and dancehall, hip hop, and throwback disco, these songs are building on the established R&B sound of the times.
End of Time is still pretty R&B, as is Countdown, and I Miss You and most of 4's tracks so I really can't see how anyone could say Beyonce is holding the industry back when she's the one not releasing easy pop songs.
But she's still using the same old formulas. After 4 underperformed, she was stated as recording more sultry songs like her first 3 albums. That is not innovation.
But she's still using the same old formulas. After 4 underperformed, she was stated as recording more sultry songs like her first 3 albums. That is not innovation.
What is the same old formula that exists? I don't see it. I need explaining. If the formula is R&B, then so what? That's a huge style of music, and is certainly not holding anything back by choosing to record it. Most legends have majorly recorded one or two genres throughout their career. Was Ella Fitzgerald holding the industry back because she sang Jazz?
And she actually described her new album as a mix between 4 and I Am... Sasha Fierce, and until you've heard the songs, even if she was recording "sultry songs like her first 3 albums", you cannot say if they are innovative or not. Sultry is a mood after all.
All of Young Money, Maybach Music, all the ratchet rappers, trap music is holding hip hop back. Urban music went to sh*t once the South took over (crunk then trap)
The autotuned pop/hip hop clubbangers are ruining R&B music. Cough cough Usher and Chris Brown. Where are the classic slow jams and classy R&B crooners? Bottles in the club aint R&B.Such a loveless era these days.
Ke$ha, Pitbull, Flo-rida are holding pop back. They have 0 star quality. They just are random hacks who are better off being behind-the-scenes pop songwriters.
Katy should be doing pop-rock like Pink or Avril. She clearly cant sing her fast pop songs. They're out of her range. She's the Cyndi Lauper of this generation. She'll be hot for a few years but she isnt a true superstar
Britney is a nostalgia act but she still makes forward-thinking & influential pop so those 5 years in her prime will always make her iconic and legendary in pop culture.
The best has yet to come from Beyonce and Gaga. They wont be gone anytime soon. Rihanna is a wildcard. Either she'll be forgotten in 10 years or the new Madonna. It will be interesting to see how her career evolves once her momentum stops.
The only right answers are Katy Perry and Ke$ha because they literally repeat the kind of music they make. Not progressive at all. I kiii'd when I read Katy was working with Dr. Luke again.
Here's why answering someone else other than those two is delusional.
Katy because her smash album slayed for 3 years and all other artists were trying to imitate those songs, 2013 trying to sound the same as the song created in 2010 ... but Katy herself evolves every Era (not like Gaga with the same electro pop music every era)
The autotuned pop/hip hop clubbangers are ruining R&B music. Cough cough Usher and Chris Brown. Where are the classic slow jamsand classy R&B crooners? Bottles in the club aint R&B.
like kelly clarkson, she uses the same formula every era. their predictability renders their work stale. their staleness can not innovate. as of 2013, p!nk and kelly clarkson do not bring anything new to the table, unlike timeless and limitless rihanna.
