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Discussion: Thoughts on Food Stamps
Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by memi stan
My Aunt and Uncle were dirt poor when they got married. They just barely got by. But they worked really hard and are now very well off. If you put the effort into it. Things do get better. It might take a long time but it does.
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Like I said in the last page about my aunt, she lost her job and she was a teacher who was dedicated to her job. Came to this country poor, worked hard got a good paying job. Was laid off and will likely die poor because her age is preventing her from getting a job. What is she to do? My family can't help her forever.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
The thing you don't seem to understand is that the people on food stamps are making an effort. But in the meantime to keep them afloat they need some assistance
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by memi stan
Some are making an effort.
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Most. As per Konichiwa's ignored stats, most people do have a job who are using food stamps
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Let me ask you something:
Why should anyone besides yourself be held accountable for the fact that you decided not to get a formal education? There are way to many programs that will pay for the cost of your education that it's ridiculous to even play the money card. Scholarships and financial aid do exist, you know. There are even colleges that will pay for the cost of your education if you fall below a certain income threshold.
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Are you even taking into account some, no, many people have disabilities which prevent them from getting a high-level education. You say it like it's so easy to get a good education. What if you grow up in an bad area with a bad education system? It's gonna be a lot harder to get scholarships over other people who may have gotten better educations and therefore know more.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by Ishiba_Makuza
So because your mother made it by herself then by that logic everyone should be able to make it by themselves. Brilliant ideology.
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Umm I don't see a problem with this line of thinking to be honest.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
Like I said in the last page about my aunt, she lost her job and she was a teacher who was dedicated to her job. Came to this country poor, worked hard got a good paying job. Was laid off and will likely die poor because her age is preventing her from getting a job. What is she to do? My family can't help her forever.
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I never said no one should qualify. I just said its abused. Tbh I would probably give your aunt food stamps if it were up to me.
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Member Since: 8/3/2012
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Originally posted by AdamAL4
The IGNORANCE.
It's not possible for every single person to dig themselves out of their financial holes no matter how fast they dig or how big their shovel may be.
Food is an absolute necessity everyone needs and a perfect place to offer help for those with low-paying jobs who are trying to support families. It's not like they can buy anything but food with them, they're not going out buying damn iPhones.
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Like why are people saying it as if all they need is a little effort and they can pull themselves out from under the ground. That is not always the case, and some of these situations don't apply to elderly people, people with health issues or mental issues. Should elderly people or people with kids also get 2 jobs and have there kids at some babysitter for 14hrs a day??
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Member Since: 5/18/2012
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Let me ask you something:
Why should anyone besides yourself be held accountable for the fact that you decided not to get a formal education? There are way to many programs that will pay for the cost of your education that it's ridiculous to even play the money card. Scholarships and financial aid do exist, you know. There are even colleges that will pay for the cost of your education if you fall below a certain income threshold.
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What? This makes no sense. And especially as a college student I'm a little ticked off by this. If this was the case nearly everyone will be in college. Me I got into a great private school that costed $55,000 a year, I had financial aid and a scholarship, but my ass had to pay $36,000 a year. I was not going to take out a private loan of that size (thats a downpayment for a car or house). Instead I went a public college, but guess what the school doesn't want to cover my complete tuition because my family makes too much. Also why do you think the student loan debt exists, and that bringing the US economy down right now? Why do you think many college students still live with their parents? Struggling to pay for school? In fact many of these people on food stamps are students because they don't have enough to get by. I could write an essay but I will stop now.
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Member Since: 8/2/2012
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Some people legitimately need food stamps. Just because you may have seen people in your area abuse them, doesn't mean everyone is abusing them. Which is not to say they don't get abused at all. They do. But, for the most part, people on food stamps need them to survive month to month.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by AdamAL4
Are you even taking into account some, no, many people have disabilities which prevent them from getting a high-level education. You say it like it's so easy to get a good education. What if you grow up in an bad area with a bad education system? It's gonna be a lot harder to get scholarships over other people who may have gotten better educations and therefore know more.
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The disability point is valid.
But sis, just because you live in a "bad neighborhood" doesn't prevent you from going to college and getting an education.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Let me ask you something:
Why should anyone besides yourself be held accountable for the fact that you decided not to get a formal education? There are way to many programs that will pay for the cost of your education that it's ridiculous to even play the money card. Scholarships and financial aid do exist, you know. There are even colleges that will pay for the cost of your education if you fall below a certain income threshold.
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Now for this mess
Education is not a right in America sadly, it's a privilege that only the top percent of Americans have the luxury of affording. If you are born into a very poor family who could not afford a decent shelter, why the hell should education even be a factor? The first thing should be trying to be in a good house, having clothes on your back, feeding yourself and loved ones. With food stamps a very small portion of those needs are met but even people working several jobs cannot afford it all. Even then trying to pay for education is a burden. You know Republicans in Congress just passed a bill that would DOUBLE, and I mean double the rate for higher education in America. It's not affordable to over 50% of Americans and this was before the doubling of the rates. Now that the rates have spiked many more Americans will not be able to afford it.
Some people can't afford the internet needed to apply for scholarships. The amount of money you get from the government (ironic you are talking about more free money but are against food stamps) is not infinite, it's a set amount. That means only some people get it. What happens to others who don't? The same for private scholarships. That's why some people need bank loans just to make ends meet in college. And you need good credit for that, something a homeless person or a person struggling to live will NOT have.
Without food stamps, everything America is known for would just be a lie in the end.
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by Smartypants
The disability point is valid.
But sis, just because you live in a "bad neighborhood" doesn't prevent you from going to collegeand getting an education.
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Exactly using that as an excuse is exactly what will keep those people in a bad area.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
The disability point is valid.
But sis, just because you live in a "bad neighborhood" doesn't prevent you from going to collegeand getting an education.
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Yes it does. If you live in a bad neighborhood you go to a bad school for primary education (because education is paid for based on the property tax of your neighborhood) and that means you are automatically at a disadvantage going into college.
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Member Since: 6/15/2012
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Originally posted by CoolestPerson12
What? This makes no sense. And especially as a college student I'm a little ticked off by this. If this was the case nearly everyone will be in college. Me I got into a great private school that costed $55,000 a year, I had financial aid and a scholarship, but my ass had to pay $36,000 a year. I was not going to take out a private loan of that size (thats a downpayment for a car or house). Instead I went a public college, but guess what the school doesn't want to cover my complete tuition because my family makes too much. Also why do you think the student loan debt exists, and that bringing the US economy down right now? Why do you think many college students still live with their parents? Struggling to pay for school? In fact many of these people on food stamps are students because they don't have enough to get by. I could write an essay but I will stop now.
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Originally posted by AdamAL4
Are you even taking into account some, no, many people have disabilities which prevent them from getting a high-level education. You say it like it's so easy to get a good education. What if you grow up in an bad area with a bad education system? It's gonna be a lot harder to get scholarships over other people who may have gotten better educations and therefore know more.
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Now for this mess
Education is not a right in America sadly, it's a privilege that only the top percent of Americans have the luxury of affording. If you are born into a very poor family who could not afford a decent shelter, why the hell should education even be a factor? The first thing should be trying to be in a good house, having clothes on your back, feeding yourself and loved ones. With food stamps a very small portion of those needs are met but even people working several jobs cannot afford it all. Even then trying to pay for education is a burden. You know Republicans in Congress just passed a bill that would DOUBLE, and I mean double the rate for higher education in America. It's not affordable to over 50% of Americans and this was before the doubling of the rates. Now that the rates have spiked many more Americans will not be able to afford it.
Some people can't afford the internet needed to apply for scholarships. The amount of money you get from the government (ironic you are talking about more free money but are against food stamps) is not infinite, it's a set amount. That means only some people get it. What happens to others who don't? The same for private scholarships. That's why some people need bank loans just to make ends meet in college. And you need good credit for that, something a homeless person or a person struggling to live will NOT have.
Without food stamps, everything America is known for would just be a lie in the end.
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Let me rewind for a second. Aside from what I said about getting into college, the main question I was trying to bring awareness to was: Why should others be held accountable for the fact that you could not get a formal education? THAT's what I really want to know. Yes, there may be financial barriers that keep your from attaining a college degree, but at the end of the day, that's not anybody else's problem. It's not Mariah Carey's, it's not Dolly Parton's problem, nor should it be the problem of the millions of Americans who have their checks cut for food stamps.
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by Smartypants
The disability point is valid.
But sis, just because you live in a "bad neighborhood" doesn't prevent you from going to collegeand getting an education.
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So many damn problems with this, but I'll ignore them for now.
Okay, let's say FIGURATIVELY you get into a good education and receive a good education, which doesn't happen as easily as you act like it does. But say it does and you go out into the world with a degree in your pocket. Do you think just because you have a degree that there's going to be all of these job opportunities all of the sudden? Sure, it's going to be easier to find a job but they don't just come to you at the snap (no pun intended) of your fingers.
And then let's also say you have to support a family. How easy do you think it is to juggle college, a family and a job, because you have to earn money somehow? Is this something you yourself have done? You can speak of family members but they're not you, don't act like you've lived this life and everything came easy with the lift of your pinky finger.
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Member Since: 9/12/2012
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Are the check cuts preventing them from living a healthy life? I mean, clearly not if they are in the financial range to be taxed. Is it really such a bad thing that they have to save up for a bit longer to afford that vacation to help someone who needs some financial help to survive?
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Let me rewind for a second. Aside from what I said about getting into college, the main question I was trying to bring awareness to was: Why should others be held accountable for the fact that you could not get a formal education? THAT's what I really want to know. Yes, there may be financial barriers that keep your from attaining a college degree, but at the end of the day, that's not anybody else's problem. It's not Mariah Carey's, it's not Dolly Parton's problem, nor should it be the problem of the millions of Americans who have their checks cut for food stamps.
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Because the system is ****ED UP for basing how good your primary education is on the property tax of the houses in your neighborhood. And are you seriously blaming people who aren't born into opportunities that it's their fault they are in the situation they have? I can't
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by Smartypants
Why should others be held accountable for the fact that you could not get a formal education?
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That logic. Why should people donate and be held accountable when there's a natural disaster in another part of the world? It's not like we live there. It's not like we made it happen. Why should we care? Who cares if people are left homeless? Not our problem, it's their problem.
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Member Since: 9/15/2012
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Are the check cuts preventing them from living a healthy life? I mean, clearly not if they are in the financial range to be taxed. Is it really such a bad thing that they have to save up for a bit longer to afford that vacation to help someone who needs some financial help to survive?
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Member Since: 12/30/2011
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Originally posted by AdamAL4
That logic. Why should people donate and be held accountable when there's a natural disaster in another part of the world? It's not like we live there. It's not like we made it happen. Why should we care? Who cares if people are left homeless? Not our problem, it's their problem.
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That's different. You can't prevent a natural disaster.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Hugamari
Are the check cuts preventing them from living a healthy life? I mean, clearly not if they are in the financial range to be taxed. Is it really such a bad thing that they have to save up for a bit longer to afford that vacation to help someone who needs some financial help to survive?
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Originally posted by AdamAL4
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