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Discussion: Nicki: RR is a New Genre
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are you kidding me, turn me on sounds like a bad rihanna song?! is that her new genre, bad pop??? cause its been done.
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Can someone pm me the link to tha download cuz you all seem to know how it will sound somehow?
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She's put out SIX songs from the album already.
We know at least 3 more are produced by Dr. Luke.
That's probably at least half the album right there.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
I don't think she's being "smart" about what to release at all. It took 3 misfires before she found something that "stuck." And she had to resort to a ****ing RedOne-imitating-Dr. Luke track, I mean come the **** on.
I'm sorry, but from a lyrical/hip-hop/MC perspective, Roman In Moscow, Stupid Hoe, Starships, Turn Me On and Roman Holiday are ****ing trash. She literally has recycled the same two themes (Lil' Kim and NOTHING) for nearly every single verse
The problem isn't that Nicki's becoming "too pop" or "too whatever."
The problem is she ran out of things to say and is just riding on the hype of her early work at this point. If a new rap chick came out spitting as weak as Nicki has on every single track barring Roman Reloaded this era, we would be dragging her up and down the boards for filth.
tl;dr: Nicki is talentless trash and her good verses were probably ghost-written.
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First two were buzz singles, etc. Starships isn't reinventing the wheel, but at least it's promoing her and keeping her name on the iTunes charts.
I don't think they're trash. I don't think they're Nicki's best work, but I still enjoy them (Other than RIM). Yeah she's recycling a tad, but I think she has new **** up her sleeve. I hope at least.
Oh please, let's not act like Nicki wasn't the most overhyped thing after Monster came out and literally shat on lives.
She's just suffering from the same thing Gaga did. She's overhyped by herself and by others, and she's not bringing **** that's gonna resurrect Abraham Lincoln. Have you listened to Pink Friday? That album has some stinkers that are worse than what Nicki's put out for the RR era.
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
The only pop album in recent memory that's been extremely consistent in terms of genre and style has been Born To Die, really.
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And that one was slammed for being boring and repetitive. Genre mashing is the new thing, if you make a pure pop or rap or hip hop or folk or whatever album, you get screwed.
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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Originally posted by Doc
But it's the truth. In loose words.
RR is a mix of genres, which is what all genres really are tbh.
What other album has songs like Turn Me On and Roman Reloaded on the same album?
Stop fronting.
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Mixture of genres =/= new genre.
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Member Since: 12/1/2010
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
That's not a "new genre" though. That's having more than one genre on an album.
Which just about EVERY pop artist does these days.
TTT has Cockiness and Where Have You Been
4 has Countdown and 1+1
BTW has HML and You and I
The only pop album in recent memory that's been extremely consistent in terms of genre and style has been Born To Die, really.
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There is no new genre. Nicki has not created anything that has not been done before.
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Ya'll do the most, ALL of them hype their albums like this, it's how the game is played, do we have to shade artists everytime they say these things? It's part of their job
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I was waiting for a thread about this to made so you guys could drag her to the pits
& it's always the ones that don't even like her that come comment first
what did you expect her to say? it's a basic ass album that no ones gna like? she has confidence in herself of course she's gna say something like that
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Originally posted by Vertigo Stick
-Lady Gaga
Common denominator?
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Seems like she tries to empower them with ambition, confidence and drive, but goes so overboard that she ends up making them intoxicated with their own greatness to the point of complete delusion. I'm sure she told Nicki her Grammy performance changed pop culture and made her believe it.
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Member Since: 12/7/2011
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
She keeps putting out **** and keeps thinking it's excellent. I've just had enough of her.
It was hearing Starships on the radio and hearing just how weak the verses were that really did it.
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The "higher than a mother****er" part still annoys me to this day, i refuse to listen to the song, i went from being a good fan of hers to getting sick of her so quickly
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
She's put out SIX songs from the album already.
We know at least 3 more are produced by Dr. Luke.
That's probably at least half the album right there.
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Hunty that is like 1/3 or 1/4 of the album. Obviously you are unclear of how YMCMB works.
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Member Since: 8/23/2011
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Originally posted by lovecatt
I was waiting for a thread about this to made so you guys could drag her to the pits
& it's always the ones that don't even like her that come comment first
what did you expect her to say? it's a basic ass album that no ones gna like? she has confidence in herself of course she's gna say something like that
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Confidence =/= hyperbolic statements.
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Originally posted by Doc
So you're pissed at semantics, then?
And RR is on a different level than those. Countdown and 1+1 are still R&B songs. Cockiness and WHYB are still Pop songs. Same with HML and Y&I to some extent. But the difference between Turn Me On and Roman Reloaded is faaaaaaaaaaaaar greater than the difference between any of the songs you posted.
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It's not semantics, she's saying dumb **** that just blatantly isn't true. It's not a "new genre" no matter how hard she wants it to be. It's a "diverse record," maybe, but I think the fact that she thinks it's a "new genre" just shows how ****ing clueless she is. This has been my problem with her ever since Massive Attack flopped.
She has absolutely no musical identity. She just throws a bunch of **** at the wall/charts and hopes it sticks. Her fans call it "versatility," but she doesn't do anything she does now WELL or better than anyone else. Starships' chorus could've been sung my ****ing Microsoft Sam with all the processing going on there. The verses ****ing interpolate "Twinkle twinkle little star," for ****'s sake.
There's nothing wrong with going pop, in fact, I fully encourage it, but there's a huge difference between "going pop" and "swallowing whatever Katy and Ke$ha left behind."
And I'd say the difference between HML and Y&I is at mroe striking as the difference between TMO and RR. I mean, TMO still has a rap bridge.
Honestly, I'm with Nicole here. I think Laurie Ann is WAY too much of a "yes man." People like Nicki and Gaga are constantly coming up with ideas, and they need someone who will actually be honest when one of their ideas is stupid instead of telling them "No, it'll change pop culture!"
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Originally posted by Nicole
Seems like she tries to empower them with ambition, confidence and drive, but goes so overboard that she ends up making them intoxicated with their own greatness to the point of complete delusion. I'm sure she told Nicki her Grammy performance changed pop culture and made her believe it.
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I am willing to bet this. Statements like these are full of crap. Sure, it is great to believe in your work, but to say you've created a new genre? Only one person could make someone actually believe they've created a new style of music when in reality they've just been recycling past eras
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And if you're going to do crossover, at least be good at it. Starships is not innovative. At least attempt to change the game with fresh Euro-synths instead of the same played out ones
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Originally posted by Jameson Teqkilla
It's not semantics, she's saying dumb **** that just blatantly isn't true. It's not a "new genre" no matter how hard she wants it to be. It's a "diverse record," maybe, but I think the fact that she thinks it's a "new genre" just shows how ****ing clueless she is. This has been my problem with her ever since Massive Attack flopped.
She has absolutely no musical identity. She just throws a bunch of **** at the wall/charts and hopes it sticks. Her fans call it "versatility," but she doesn't do anything she does now WELL or better than anyone else. Starships' chorus could've been sung my ****ing Microsoft Sam with all the processing going on there. The verses ****ing interpolate "Twinkle twinkle little star," for ****'s sake.
There's nothing wrong with going pop, in fact, I fully encourage it, but there's a huge difference between "going pop" and "swallowing whatever Katy and Ke$ha left behind."
And I'd say the difference between HML and Y&I is at mroe striking as the difference between TMO and RR. I mean, TMO still has a rap bridge.
Honestly, I'm with Nicole here. I think Laurie Ann is WAY too much of a "yes man." People like Nicki and Gaga are constantly coming up with ideas, and they need someone who will actually be honest when one of their ideas is stupid instead of telling them "No, it'll change pop culture!"
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Not every track that someone releases has to be top notch "quality" and change the music game. She released a harmless pop song to extend her brand and people like you are FUMING over it for no apparent reason. It's not that serious.
You claim not to like her or use her or whatever, then why are you setting the bar for a pop single from her on like a Bad Romance or Umbrella high?
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The only artist that should ever say this is Bri... nevermind.
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Originally posted by Mister Martian
The only artist that should ever say this is Bri... nevermind.
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Not every track that someone releases has to be top notch "quality" and change the music game. She released a harmless pop song to extend her brand and people like you are FUMING over it for no apparent reason. It's not that serious.
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I think it's a very harmful pop track. It is literally almost every 2010-2011 pop music cliche put into one song. AND PEOPLE LIKE IT!!! That's insulting.
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Originally posted by Shape
First two were buzz singles, etc. Starships isn't reinventing the wheel, but at least it's promoing her and keeping her name on the iTunes charts.
I don't think they're trash. I don't think they're Nicki's best work, but I still enjoy them (Other than RIM). Yeah she's recycling a tad, but I think she has new **** up her sleeve. I hope at least.
Oh please, let's not act like Nicki wasn't the most overhyped thing after Monster came out and literally shat on lives.
She's just suffering from the same thing Gaga did. She's overhyped by herself and by others, and she's not bringing **** that's gonna resurrect Abraham Lincoln. Have you listened to Pink Friday? That album has some stinkers that are worse than what Nicki's put out for the RR era.
And that one was slammed for being boring and repetitive. Genre mashing is the new thing, if you make a pure pop or rap or hip hop or folk or whatever album, you get screwed.
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BTD was only really slammed by U.S. critics focused on her performance/image. The reviews from most critics actually praised it's consistency, because while the songs sounded like each other at times, they didn't sound like ANYONE ELSE'S songs. I'd rather have an album of "repetitive" NEW tracks, than a variety of tracks that sound like you're copy-pasting from various places.
And seriously, if she does one more verse with a "sleeping on me," "raggedy ann," or any of those...
(Also I don't like Pink Friday either, for largely the same reasons that I think this era is a mess too. I guess I hoped she was just getting it out of her system with PF. )
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