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Chart Listings: Billboard Charts (April 10-17, 2016)
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
"I posted his career opening weeks showing that he always had insane first weeks till now."
So... you were comparing his 2004 and 2005 sales to now, as I said. 
28K isn't bad for a digital download only his site, and two months after the album has been online. 
Yes, Jay-Z sold 500K with physical copies, iTunes copies, a hit single, and not having the album out online or two months.
Compare an album with the same situation as TLOP, and if you can't, hush and congratulate for the #1.
! What don't the girls get. 
If ANTI was available for illegal download for two months then she only sold it on her site, nobody would be dragging her sales.
The situation isn't really comparable nor draggable. 
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No, I compared his career opening first weeks. I didn't just stop at 2004/2005 to make him look bad, like you're trying to imply. His former consistency and latest releases can be clearly seen. Miss me with the excuses.
And he had six weeks of preorders, albums bundled with tickets, a lead featuring Rihanna, an SNL promo slot, over a year of earlier material being used to promote the album only to be scrapped in the end, etc. and only pulled 94k album equivalents. That is not a solid first week no matter how you try to spin it
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Member Since: 12/1/2011
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Originally posted by YouDaIcon
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If TLOP did that massive number they said it did on tidal alone (I don't remember it) They would have reported the streams to billboard
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by ForeverNow90
Oh, but wait. I just realized, the misogyny is real. Weeks ago, Rihanna got dragged for the amount of streams she had by the same people who are now posting "Legend"; "King" etc..
I just..
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ANTi is on itunes tho
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TLOP has no physical sales, only available on his website and Tidal
It wasn't up for "pre order"  It was the bundled copies for his MSG performance in movie theatres that are being fulfilled now. Those were limited and not all that great in quantity.
I don't see how you expected Kanye to sell a lot when it's only available on his website and from pre-orders that were available for a single day two months ago that required you to go into a movie theatre and watch his fashion show for two hours
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Good for Kanye 
- Anti should rebound back into the top 5. Maybe even Top 3.
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Originally posted by Auris
TLOP has no physical sales, only available on his website and Tidal
It wasn't up for "pre order" It was the bundled copies for his MSG performance in movie theatres that are being fulfilled now. Those were limited and not all that great in quantity.
I don't see how you expected Kanye to sell a lot when it's only available on his website and from pre-orders that were available for a single day two months ago that required you to go into a movie theatre and watch his fashion show for two hours |
exactly. TLOP was NOT avabile on itunes and was released 2 months ago.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
ANTI:
- Album never was online for illegal download before put on sale. (TLOP was out for illegal downloads TWO months)
- Had a hit single with a radio deal preceding album release. (TLOP has had no charting songs)
- iTunes sales. (TLOP isn't on iTunes)
Like I'm really trying to figure out why you think these comparisons are logical enough to post with confidence.
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ANTI:
- Given away 1.4M times prior to release.
- Came off the back of a 238k (?) first week.
- No pre-order.
- Generic first single featuring streaming superstar Drake.
- Year of earlier promotion with high-profile collabs released, only to be scrapped.
- No promo slot.
- 1 week of Tidal exclusivity. On-sale for 4 (?) hours.
TLOP:
- Illegally downloaded 500k times.
- Singles not available for individual purchase, driving up album sales and streams.
- 6 weeks of pre-orders.
- Generic first single featuring streaming superstar Rihanna.
- Year of earlier promotion with high-profile collabs released, only to be scrapped.
- SNL promo slot.
- 6 weeks of Tidal exclusivity. Not on sale prior to release.
They're about the exact same situation
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Originally posted by Eternium
No, I compared his career opening first weeks. I didn't just stop at 2004/2005 to make him look bad, like you're trying to imply. His former consistency and latest releases can be clearly seen. Miss me with the excuses.
And he had six weeks of preorders, albums bundled with tickets, a lead featuring Rihanna, an SNL promo slot, over a year of earlier material being used to promote the album only to be scrapped in the end, etc. and only pulled 94k album equivalents. That is not a solid first week no matter how you try to spin it |
He had a day of pre-orders two months ago when people could buy the tickets to see a livestream of his fashion show in a movie theater. The same one you could watch at home. Of course not many people would go to the theater and buy a ticket.
The single isn't for sale and hasn't been promoted to radios.
The SNL promo slot was for the opening track - not a single. And still, the album wasn't out and wasn't intended to be out then.
And, THE ALBUM IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE ON KANYWEST.COM
No physicals, no iTunes, no Google Play, no Amazon, no pre-orders sans the ticket ones that were available for a day two months ago.
It's pretty damn impressive that he got the #2 streaming week of all time and managed to sell 28K copies from a website and theater tickets to watch something you could watch FOR FREE instead.
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How is Famous generic tho? And Rihanna isn't even credited?
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Member Since: 9/9/2012
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Originally posted by Eternium
No, I compared his career opening first weeks. I didn't just stop at 2004/2005 to make him look bad, like you're trying to imply. His former consistency and latest releases can be clearly seen. Miss me with the excuses.
And he had six weeks of preorders, albums bundled with tickets, a lead featuring Rihanna, an SNL promo slot, over a year of earlier material being used to promote the album only to be scrapped in the end, etc. and only pulled 94k album equivalents. That is not a solid first week no matter how you try to spin it |
I never implied or said you stopped at 2005, I even re-quoted the post with every album you posted so idk why you're lying. 
Six weeks of preorders. Where is the link to this?
"A lead featuring Rihanna". It's not even charting. Suddenly a song the public doesn't know about, isn't charting, is suppose to move 400K units of an album 
"over a year of earlier material being used to promote the album only to be scrapped in the end"
So what does scrapped material from a year ago have to do with people buying an album of completely different songs?
The lack of real reasons on expecting a big debut. Get it together.
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y'all exhausting, and this is me saying that of all people.
What matters is, despite the various circumstances that would quell them, Kanye's weekly sales are apparently over 10k higher than the previous low for a #1. So.
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Originally posted by Eternium
No, I compared his career opening first weeks. I didn't just stop at 2004/2005 to make him look bad, like you're trying to imply. His former consistency and latest releases can be clearly seen. Miss me with the excuses.
And he had six weeks of preorders, albums bundled with tickets, a lead featuring Rihanna, an SNL promo slot, over a year of earlier material being used to promote the album only to be scrapped in the end, etc. and only pulled 94k album equivalents. That is not a solid first week no matter how you try to spin it |
There's a clear reason why there's such a drop-off though.
We had projections stating that he was going to do around 275K first week for digital only first week sales with a normal release when the album first came out.
The lead with Rihanna was randomly uploaded to Spotify and AM with little warning, after it seemed like he had given up completely on the era and had already announced an upcoming summer album.
This is a solid first week for an album that's been hyped up, run its course over a couple month as a Tidal exclusive album with one of the most incoherent releases in recent memory, and it was even widely reported that he wasn't going to release the album off of Tidal or even sell the thing. A number one with 90K is fine all things considered.
I've also never seen any links to an album pre-order, but I could have missed that at some point.
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I was referring to the difference in pure sales and streaming. Just two weeks ago ANTi got dragged, now Kanye gets praised for the exact same thing.
Yes, TLOP was only available on Ye's website, but the fact that only 28k fans bought the album.
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Originally posted by Eternium
ANTI:
- Given away 1.4M times prior to release.
- Came off the back of a 238k (?) first week.
- No pre-order.
- Generic first single featuring streaming superstar Drake.
- Year of earlier promotion with high-profile collabs released, only to be scrapped.
- No promo slot.
- 1 week of Tidal exclusivity. On-sale for 4 (?) hours.
TLOP:
- Illegally downloaded 500k times.
- Singles not available for individual purchase, driving up album sales and streams.
- 6 weeks of pre-orders.
- Generic first single featuring streaming superstar Rihanna.
- Year of earlier promotion with high-profile collabs released, only to be scrapped.
- SNL promo slot.
- 6 weeks of Tidal exclusivity. Not on sale prior to release.
They're about the exact same situation |
Bitch do you really expect the general public to even KNOW that you could buy the album on his website? Much less USE it?
Think about the Tidal exclusives - if those are failing to drive a lot of attention to TIDAL which has a ton of artists on it - how hard is it to get people to buy a $20 album on an artist website where you don't have an account and can't easily integrate with your phone or Spotify/iTunes/etc.?
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Auris
He had a day of pre-orders two months ago when people could buy the tickets to see a livestream of his fashion show in a movie theater. The same one you could watch at home. Of course not many people would go to the theater and buy a ticket.
The single isn't for sale and hasn't been promoted to radios.
The SNL promo slot was for the opening track - not a single. And still, the album wasn't out and wasn't intended to be out then.
And, THE ALBUM IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE ON KANYWEST.COM
No physicals, no iTunes, no Google Play, no Amazon, no pre-orders sans the ticket ones that were available for a day two months ago.
It's pretty damn impressive that he got the #2 streaming week of all time and managed to sell 28K copies from a website and theater tickets to watch something you could watch FOR FREE instead.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by iHype.
ANTI:
- Album never was online for illegal download before put on sale. (TLOP was out for illegal downloads TWO months)
- Had a hit single with a radio deal preceding album release. (TLOP has had no charting songs)
- iTunes sales. (TLOP isn't on iTunes)
Like I'm really trying to figure out why you think these comparisons are logical enough to post with confidence.
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Thats not true. Anti was illegally downloaded during the leak.
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According to *******Freak, Anti is also proving popular on illegal sharing websites.
In a statement, the site's owner, Ernesto told Newsbeat: "The Rihanna Deluxe edition of Anti is currently the most shared album on public ******* sites.
"It's safe to say that tens of thousands of people have downloaded a pirated copy via Bit******* alone today."
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IDK why y'all are arguing for but ATRL really needs to comes to terms with streaming being the forefront of the industry right now. But hey if people want to use Rihanna going back to number 1 because of streaming as some "drag" I guess.
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Also realizer that if it was pirated over a million times, those million people aren't buying the album
Rihanna's album had physical release, iTunes release, Amazon release, and so much more She had an amazing week, second best of 2016 after Kendrick, and Kanye has his own amazing week in different respects.
I'm surprised he even sold 28k tbh. I would have expected even less considering how ridiculous it would be to buy the album for $20 on a ****ing artist website with the only pre-orders being from theater tickets. Theater tickets to watch something you could instead watch for free at home Do you not remember this?
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The REACH to try to make Kanye's #1 debut after 2 months look bad
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Originally posted by Auris
Bitch do you really expect the general public to even KNOW that you could buy the album on his website? Much less USE it?
Think about the Tidal exclusives - if those are failing to drive a lot of attention to TIDAL which has a ton of artists on it - how hard is it to get people to buy a $20 album on an artist website where you don't have an account and can't easily integrate with your phone or Spotify/iTunes/etc.?
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Originally posted by BajanBeauty
Thats not true. Anti was illegally downloaded during the leak.
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It wasn't leaked. It was put up for sale early by TIDAL.
Therefore, it wasn't online for download before being on sale like TLOP. & the amount of people who downloaded it in a few hours is nowhere near the amount who downloaded TLOP over 2 months.
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by Auris
He had a day of pre-orders two months ago when people could buy the tickets to see a livestream of his fashion show in a movie theater. The same one you could watch at home. Of course not many people would go to the theater and buy a ticket.
The single isn't for sale and hasn't been promoted to radios.
The SNL promo slot was for the opening track - not a single. And still, the album wasn't out and wasn't intended to be out then.
And, THE ALBUM IS ONLY AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE ON KANYWEST.COM
No physicals, no iTunes, no Google Play, no Amazon, no pre-orders sans the ticket ones that were available for a day two months ago.
It's pretty damn impressive that he got the #2 streaming week of all time and managed to sell 28K copies from a website and theater tickets to watch something you could watch FOR FREE instead.
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