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Discussion: Thoughts on the death penalty?
Member Since: 6/10/2011
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Originally posted by rawwritsmikey
Yes, because I, nor does anybody else, deserve to decide whether someone lives or dies. It doesn't matter what they did, that's on them. Imprison them for eternity if you will, but no one has the right to say you can't live.
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Except that's exactly what they did to the people they killed. Those people on the flight didn't choose to die. Their lives were taken. Those people in Aurora went to see a movie and he chose to bring a gun and end their lives. I'm not strongly pro-death. I see both sides of the argument, but I disagree. I feel that when you perform certain horrific acts, you forfeit rights that a normal human being has.
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Member Since: 10/31/2011
Posts: 16,937
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
I knew I wasn't wrong.
I've always read that's it's more to house, clothe, feed, and generally take care of than it is to execute.
2 states.
Where is the general statistic?
There is no way in hell it costs more to kill someone than it does to take care of them.
In California, it costs an average of 50K per year to imprison someone. Depending on the circumstances of said prisoners stay (+the amount of prisoners held) that amount can easily trump the 2.5M it costs to execute someone.
And like I said, that's only 1 state.
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Donald McMartin is a California jurist, that doesn't mean he is only talking about California. And use your brain, if it's 10 times more expensive to execute someone in one state how on earth could it be CHEAPER to execute someone in another state of the same country? What you've "always read" is irrelevant and incorrect, unless you can find some credible sources that state it is cheaper to go through the execution process than to imprison someone.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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I'm all for it. We don't need criminals and we don't need to feed them either in jails.
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
Posts: 1,772
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Originally posted by KevinKDC
Did someone just compared abortion and death penalty? Abortion is not murder. In the firsts trimesters we don't speak of humans but fetus. It's growing inside of you, it's your body, you can do what you want with it.
Death penalty should only exist in severe cases like Osama Binladen. For me personally, I think anyone that has murdered people just need some physiological help.
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Correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean that mean taking medicines would also be illegal as you are killing organisms within your body that are alive?
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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It's too easy on criminals in my opinion. People who did such horrible things deserve to rot in prison for the rest of their life, being put to death in an instant to not a severe enough punishment. They should have to live with the guilt and regret of their decisions for as long as they can sustain life within their body.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
Posts: 16,846
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Originally posted by holyground
I just think that for offences like murder, the death penalty is necessary. Prison might not change them at all, so as long as they are deemed a threat to society in such a manner, they should be executed in my opinion.
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Prison doesn't need to change them. If they are in prison in life, it doesn't matter. I would rather make them suffer then to kill them so easily.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Here's a link for the non believers that shows how it is definitely more expensive to go through all of those appeals and such rather than life without parole, and it details every state! Get educated sistors!
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
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Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by NLX
Oh, so to keep society safer.
While people who are in a prison or county jail for maybe small things like a
D.U.I or shop lifting have to deal with physical harm....
So are you saying society's safety > inmate's safety ?
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people don't get put in jail for shoplifting or d.u.i...those are misdemeanors and perpetrator is only imprisoned for short term periods, usually in a local police station where the crime was committed until released on bail, firstly. and most likely in an isolated cell where they don't encounter others. they're not mixed in with murderers.
secondly, on a personal level, yes, i can say i think the protection of society at large is more important than the protection of someone who is in jail for murder or another major offense, but that's just me.
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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As a potential point of discussion, I'll not that I've read before that it costs about as much to execute a US inmate as it costs to keep one regular inmate alive and in the system for about 40 years. I also read in one of the sources for my essay that the trial proceedings can take weeks to years longer than regular trials and cost literally tens of millions of dollars in the end.
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Member Since: 8/28/2011
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If not the death penalty for extreme murder cases then I would like to see more extreme jail environments.
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Member Since: 12/10/2011
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Originally posted by MM3
People talk about this being an inhumane way to deal with criminals, but, as I said, if somebody has done a terrible act such as the Boston bombing, Sandy Hook shooting, Aurora shooting, etc., I don't really care if they're treated humanely. I'm sorry, that's just the way I see it. We all have our own opinions.
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I'm sure the same people running with the whole killing is killing/no one has the right to take another person's life ARE the same ones who'll go down a double bacon burger with the quickness.
Humans are the only living creatures 100%, undoubtedly aware and conscious. We're capable of logic and reasoning, and live by ethics. So, if all animals (minus small invertebrates) experience pain and fear, what makes it "okay" for us to inflict these things on another sentient being? Especially considering we're not carnivores or omnivores by nature, meat in general has little nutritional value, and we don't need it to survive?
I'm sure the same people in here arguing against the death penalty enjoy their McMuffins and Chipotle though...
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Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Rigalo
Here's a link for the non believers that shows how it is definitely more expensive to go through all of those appeals and such rather than life without parole, and it details every state! Get educated sistors!
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
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Ffff wait, this is actually the source I used on my exam!
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Member Since: 12/9/2009
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Originally posted by Great Username
I believe California and Colorado are in the US.
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I think the death penalty process should be streamlined. It is more expensive than lifetime imprisonment when it shouldn't be. The death penalty should be sparingly used in situations with repeat offenders. It shouldn't be used in an isolated situation in which the defendant could be prosecuted incorrectly. I'm talking about a defendant being tried for murdering someone for the 3rd or 4th time in his lifetime kinda ****. Prison shouldn't just be viewed as keeping the dangerous people out of society. It should be negative reinforcement to avoid doing harmful things to others. Then you have the tiny minority of people that obviously aren't going to learn sh!t so we might as well off 'em.
the death penalty is more expensive because of legal BS
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
Would everyone here against the death penalty say that the hijackers that caused 9/11 don't deserve the death penalty? Or the man that shot and killed innocent people in the Batman Colorado massacre?
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They should rot in prison and think about what they did for the rest of their miserable lives. Not get the easy way out.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
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Originally posted by Retro
As a potential point of discussion, I'll not that I've read before that it costs about as much to execute a US inmate as it costs to keep one regular inmate alive and in the system for about 40 years. I also read in one of the sources for my essay that the trial proceedings can take weeks to years longer than regular trials and cost literally tens of millions of dollars in the end.
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It is a legit fact that death penalties cost more than imprisoning for life. I had to summarize a essay last year for school and I'm 100% sure that one of the main points was that death penalties are way more expensive than imprisonment.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
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Originally posted by Mhs90
Interesting to state that killing someone on death penalty is barbaric while making someone suffer isn't.
But anywho, I don't care. Whichever is the least amount of burden on taxpayers--someone provide receipts.
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Lol heaven forbid a person have to suffer for killing another person!
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ATRL Senior Member
Member Since: 3/22/2012
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
what makes it "okay" for us to inflict these things on another sentient being? Especially considering we're not carnivores or omnivores by nature, meat in general has little nutritional value, and we don't need it to survive?
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This is turning into a different ethical debate entirely, but I'll note that humans are in fact meant to be omnivorous in nature, as shown by dental arrangement and other factors, though it's no longer actually necessary in modern times.
As you all were.
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Member Since: 5/5/2011
Posts: 16,846
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Originally posted by Elec†ricJudas
Correct me if i'm wrong, but wouldn't that mean that mean taking medicines would also be illegal as you are killing organisms within your body that are alive?
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Can you rephrase? I'm not sure what you mean.
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Member Since: 5/3/2010
Posts: 26,013
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Originally posted by rawwritsmikey
It costs more because of the court expenses to convict them/prove they are definitely guilty. It's a long process.
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Exactly. Many cases on death row last for decades. And for all those years we are spending money on court hearing after court hearing.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
Posts: 33,611
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Originally posted by Praise Mariallah
I'm sure the same people running with the whole killing is killing/no one has the right to take another person's life ARE the same ones who'll go down a double bacon burger with the quickness.
Humans are the only living creatures 100%, undoubtedly aware and conscious. We're capable of logic and reasoning, and live by ethics. So, if all animals (minus small invertebrates) experience pain and fear, what makes it "okay" for us to inflict these things on another sentient being? Especially considering we're not carnivores or omnivores by nature, meat in general has little nutritional value, and we don't need it to survive?
I'm sure the same people in here arguing against the death penalty enjoy their McMuffins and Chipotle though...
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Isn't meat what gave humans much more complex brains than most animals?
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