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News: All majority-Muslim countries have LGBT and women issues.
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Women and black people aren't ideologies; they don't discriminate against LGBT people, they don't discriminate against an entire gender, etc. I actually currently live in a country that's 96% Muslim. I know what I'm talking about and I witness this discrimination every single day. Reporting facts and statistics does not equate to hatred, and your sensitivity towards this issue (as well as people's sexualities, which is entirely irrelevant of you to bring up here) will not turn anyone away from stating the truth.
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Amen to that Also, not discussing these facts for fear of offending some Muslims or causing any conflict is a massive disservice to gays & women in the Islamic world and within Muslim minorities elsewhere. If you're for social justice, you've got to be for minorities within minorities.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Hate the religion not the people who practice it.
I will agree that Islam over the lest decade and a half has become the most dangerous of the religions towards minorities but that doesn't mean all muslims are terrorists and want us dead.
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Member Since: 2/9/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Women and black people aren't ideologies; they don't discriminate against LGBT people, they don't discriminate against an entire gender, etc. I actually currently live in a country that's 96% Muslim. I know what I'm talking about and I witness this discrimination every single day. Reporting facts and statistics does not equate to hatred, and your sensitivity towards this issue (as well as people's sexualities, which is entirely irrelevant of you to bring up here) will not turn anyone away from stating the truth.
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People aren't %/statistics #AllLivesMatter
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
I'm sorry if you can't understand why a majority in a professional field seeing someone's sexuality as a disease is horrible or backwards. Maybe European attitudes just haven't progressed to where Americans are and that's why we disagree.
You still also ignored my other points, like Sweden's horrible racism problem. It's odd that so many of the countries deemed progressive are so homogenized. I'd much rather take the bumpy road America faces in its journey to progressiveness rooted in multiculturalism than living in homogenized countries that, despite farces about human rights, are still terribly racist and xenophobic.
The UK just voted by public vote to destroy its own economy out of a fear of immigrants. I guess all accepting attitudes towards women & LGBT folks are probably only reserved for those ethnically British and "meant to be in this country" as those racists in England say. It's scary how much prejudice ATRL will ignore because it's decided Islam is the problem it has to tackle.
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Your posts sound like Hungary and surrounding countries are the worst place for LGBT people to live in. Ofc it's not as good as in western Europe but no one's going to kill you or put you in jail for being gay, unlike in other parts of Earth.
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Why didn't you mention Indonedia where we had a Female President before the US? Or we have an openly transgender public figure who had a show on TV. We even had some gay bars, gay clubs, etc.
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Member Since: 8/4/2012
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Women and black people aren't ideologies; they don't discriminate against LGBT people, they don't discriminate against an entire gender, etc. I actually currently live in a country that's 96% Muslim. I know what I'm talking about and I witness this discrimination every single day. Reporting facts and statistics does not equate to hatred, and your sensitivity towards this issue (as well as people's sexualities, which is entirely irrelevant of you to bring up here) will not turn anyone away from stating the truth.
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Originally posted by carameldisco
Your posts sound like Hungary and surrounding countries are the worst place for LGBT people to live in. Ofc it's not as good as in western Europe but no one's going to kill you or put you in jail for being gay, unlike in other parts of Earth.
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If your standard of living is so low that you accept the medicalization of your sexuality - something considered a human rights violation - as normal, that only reveals more truth to the horror.
And to reiterate, this is all relevant discussion to the OP. I asked why they decided to only display the terror done in Islamic countries. Why not point out the horrors normalized in other highly religious countries? If you're going to use LGBT struggles to prop up a point, might as well be genuine and actively make it about ending the invalidation and terror religion causes our LGBT brothers and sisters in all walks of life everywhere around the globe.
"Horrible" may be worse than "Awful" yet neither should be acceptable. The OP didn't offer the WORST country. They pointed out 40 of the worst, all showing a trend of strong religious belief, and we see religious terror that should be unacceptable elsewhere too, even in non-Muslim majority countries. Hopefully those eager to help bring Islam progress also are ready to help other faiths with similar beliefs progress too. None of this can be acceptable in 2016.
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what's the shocking news? everyone already knew that
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Originally posted by dhovardhega
Why didn't you mention Indonedia where we had a Female President before the US? Or we have an openly transgender public figure who had a show on TV. We even had some gay bars, gay clubs, etc.
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Originally posted by heckinglovato
Indonesia IS on that list. It's included in the fast-forward to #40. LGBT people face both legal and social discrimination in Indonesia.
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Xo.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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The apologism and excuses in here. Other religions were like this 200 years ago, so it is okay and you are islamphobic if you think the Islam is an opressive and sick religion!!!
The statics are there, I am sorry but you are DUMB if you choose to ignore how problematic this religion is.
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Careful, you're not allowed to point out flaws/problems in Islam without being deemed Islamophobic
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Originally posted by Brite Lites ☆
People aren't %/statistics #AllLivesMatter
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Oh no you didn't
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
If your standard of living is so low that you accept the medicalization of your sexuality - something considered a human rights violation - as normal, that only reveals more truth to the horror.
And to reiterate, this is all relevant discussion to the OP. I asked why they decided to only display the terror done in Islamic countries. Why not point out the horrors normalized in other highly religious countries? If you're going to use LGBT struggles to prop up a point, might as well be genuine and actively make it about ending the invalidation and terror religion causes our LGBT brothers and sisters in all walks of life everywhere around the globe.
"Horrible" may be worse than "Awful" yet neither should be acceptable. The OP didn't offer the WORST country. They pointed out 40 of the worst, all showing a trend of strong religious belief, and we see religious terror that should be unacceptable elsewhere too, even in non-Muslim majority countries. Hopefully those eager to help bring Islam progress also are ready to help other faiths with similar beliefs progress too. None of this can be acceptable in 2016.
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I've never said I'm accepting that. And even if some doctors think that way there's nothing they can do because homosexuality is not illegal or classified as a disease here and they can't not give you pills or make you undergo any medical "treatment." Also, I wouldn't compare terror in Islamic countries to personal opinions of eastern European doctors, even if their opinions wrong.
Btw I'm not apologizing outdated and bigoted views that still exist in the big part of east European societies and I hope EUnion will put bigger pressure on our governments to achieve full equality soon But it will obviously take years to change mentality of people My problem was that from your previous posts I got a feeling that you're talking about eastern Europe without knowing how it actually works here.
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How dare you spill the truth?!! Such an islamphobe!!1!1!
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Originally posted by Blue Jeans
Why are some of you trying to say this is not true?
Islam is a religion of homophobia and sexism
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And that's all there is to it.
It's so odd how people will skirt around the issue and flat out refuse to say this.
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Originally posted by carameldisco
I've never said I'm accepting that. And even if some doctors think that way there's nothing they can do because homosexuality is not illegal or classified as a disease here and they can't not give you pills or make you undergo any medical "treatment." Also, I wouldn't compare terror in Islamic countries to personal opinions of eastern European doctors, even if their opinions wrong.
Btw I'm not apologizing outdated and bigoted views that still exist in the big part of east European societies and I hope EUnion will put bigger pressure on our governments to achieve full equality soon But it will obviously take years to change mentality of people My problem was that from your previous posts I got a feeling that you're talking about eastern Europe without knowing how it actually works here.
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Conversion therapy is not illegal in any European country, the awful practice often including sexual abuse and emotional abuse, let alone excusing fraudulent contracts & business. If you can't see how having nearly half the medical field in a country view being gay as a disease connects to the rise of conversion therapy in Europe, shame on you.
And again, you're relying on fallacies. "Horrible" is worse than "Awful," yet neither are good. Accept that the way you may view certain parts of the world is how people in more progressive and developed countries are going to view where you are from. You may see yourselves as better, while people from more forward cultures see both as multiple faces of ignorant, backwards societies. A less harsh shade of bigotry is still bigotry.
Eastern Europe having different challenges and problems to solve than the Middle East doesn't excuse Eastern Europe's problems, and if we're discussing women's rights and (especially) LGBT rights, Eastern Europe is a huge concern for anyone who cares about LGBT rights.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Communion
Conversion therapy is not illegal in any European country, the awful practice often including sexual abuse and emotional abuse, let alone excusing fraudulent contracts & business. If you can't see how having nearly half the medical field in a country view being gay as a disease connects to the rise of conversion therapy in Europe, shame on you.
And again, you're relying on fallacies. "Horrible" is worse than "Awful," yet neither are good. Accept that the way you may view certain parts of the world is how people in more progressive and developed countries are going to view where you are from. You may see yourselves as better, while people from more forward cultures see both as multiple faces of ignorant, backwards societies. A less harsh shade of bigotry is still bigotry.
Eastern Europe having different challenges and problems to solve than the Middle East doesn't excuse Eastern Europe's problems, and if we're discussing women's rights and (especially) LGBT rights, Eastern Europe is a huge concern for anyone who cares about LGBT rights.
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I've never heard about that therapy being done here and ofc I don't agree with it so you can pls stop with that "shame on you" attitude and acting all better than me
I have no problem with people criticizing with my country and pointing its flaws, I did it myself in the previous post. But just because we're not on the same level as western Europe yet, doesn't mean I can't express my opinions about other countries. I repeat that it's not paradise here (and it varies from country to country) but you can actually live here as a LGBT person and that's why I think it's better place for LGBT than countries where killing sexual minorities is legal.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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it's a shame that they treat women badly, yet alone LGBT people
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