Mariah's Christmas album is bigger than all of the examples you've shown so far. It was a career defining moment that no one has been able to top ever since. AIWFCIY alone is one of the biggest songs of all time.
No, it really wasn't. It's Christmas music, it's just silly music that middle class people play for a few weeks a year. Am I the only one who never listens to Christmas music? It's utterly boring and pointless.
Those albums are iconic and changed the landscape. Merry Christmas was a successful Christmas themed album and had a catchy pop song on it. That's all.
Mariah is def a artist much more so than Celine and even Whitney. Whether you like her musical choices or not is another story. What landscape did the bodyguard change? Are u listening to yourselves? LOL
Yet it's not as remembered as any of those. It's not as remembered as "Back To Black", "The Miseducation Of Lauryn Hill".
Can anyone name a song on that album other than Hero?
Looking for any and every excuse. With the exclusion of "Hero" from Music Box, you still have "Without You" and "Dreamlover" as memorable hits.
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Writing and producing has nothing to do with being a legend.
And Whitney is a legend.
Didn't you just make the comment that Mariah is not an artist let alone a legend? How can one be a legend without being an artist first? And if writing and producing don't count as artistic merit then what does? And how is Whitney a legend and Mariah is not?
Your hatred and contradictions are beyond hilarious. It's actual quite entertaining to see you struggling to grasp at straws.
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No, it really wasn't. It's Christmas music, it's just silly music that middle class people play for a few weeks a year.
And? Whitney released a Christmas album but that bombed. Not everyone that releases Christmas music sees seasonal success; only very few have accomplished that feat. In the same token, if you're going to disqualify Merry Christmas, then The Bodyguard should be removed form your list too since it's just a soundtrack.
then what makes you one? you hate Mariah so much that you wont even look at what she accomplished and actually give a non biased judgement.
What makes a legend is either being a pop culture phenomenon with songs notoriously known accross the world, or having a significant influence on music as an art form (creating, pioneering or shaping genres etc.) or both.
What makes a legend is either being a pop culture phenomenon with songs notoriously known accross the world
She's already done that with Merry Christmas being the top selling Christmas album ever, and All I Want for Christmas Is You being the biggest, most recurrent, and easily identifiable female song ever.
You coming in every thread to hate her won't change that, Madonna stan.
Didn't you just make the comment that Mariah is not an artist let alone a legend? How can one be a legend without being an artist first? And if writing and producing don't count as artistic merit then what does? And how is Whitney a legend and Mariah is not?
Your hatred and contradictions are beyond hilarious. It's actual quite entertaining to see you struggling to grasp at straws.
writing and producing count as artistic merit only if the result of it has an artistic value. Simple as that.
Whitney is a legend because her songs are much more known than Mariahs.
And why do you think Im grasping at straws? Lol You are the one fumming at me for what I think, not the other way around
She's already done that with Merry Christmas being the top selling Christmas album ever, and All I Want for Christmas Is You being the biggest, most recurrent, and easily identifiable female song ever.
You coming in every thread to hate her won't change that, Madonna stan.
I have never heard it on radio, ever, and I doubt people on the streets will be able to name at least one Mariahs song. They all sound the same anyway.
What makes a legend is either being a pop culture phenomenon with songs notoriously known accross the world, or having a significant influence on music as an art form (creating, pioneering or shaping genres etc.) or both.
I have never heard it on radio, ever, and I doubt people on the streets will be able to name at least one Mariahs song. They all sound the same anyway.
El oh el
You =/= the entire world.
I'm not even a Stan and I can name at least 10 songs off of the top of my head.
I have never heard it on radio, ever, and I doubt people on the streets will be able to name at least one Mariahs song. They all sound the same anyway.
It's too bad the charts disagree. Glad to know your biased opinion isn't any type of official factual thing like sales, charts, and awards.
What makes a legend is either being a pop culture phenomenon with songs notoriously known accross the world, or having a significant influence on music as an art form (creating, pioneering or shaping genres etc.) or both.
"Notoriously known songs":
- Without You (her biggest hit world wide; #81 Global All Time Chart - 9.250.000 points)
- Fantasy (#234 Global All Time Chart - 7.177.000 points)
- One Sweet Day (#257 Global All Time Chart - 6.934.000 points)
- All I Want For Christmas Is You (#313 Global All Time Chart - 6.422.000 points)
"Significant influence on music as an art form (creating, pioneering or shaping genres etc.)"
Popularizing Melisma
- "Her mastery of melisma, the fluttering strings of notes that decorate songs like "Vision of Love," inspired the entire American Idol vocal school, for better or worse, and virtually every other female R&B singer since the Nineties." - Rollingstones
"Carey is the most influential vocal stylist of the last two decades, the person who made rococo melismatic singing—the trick of embroidering syllables with multiple no-o-o-o-o-o-tes—the ubiquitous pop style. Exhibit A is American Idol, which has often played out as a clash of melisma-mad Mariah wannabes. And, today, nearly 20 years after Carey's debut, major labels continue to bet the farm on young stars such as the winner of Britain's X Factor show *, Leona Lewis, with her Generation Next gloss on Mariah's big voice and big hair." - Slant
"Fantasy Remix" and the pioneering of the Pop Diva/Rapper collaboration that has now become the norm: