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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
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And when he says he wants to ban Muslims, he's not just talking about refugees. He's talking about ALL Muslims across the world.
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It says you won't get warnings, you'll just get threadbans and stuff. So report problematic things as usual, I think. Any more general complaints should get a Help Request.
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oh ok. Thanks!! 
on topic: It's quite the coincidence that the Bernie and Donald debate debacle happened the day after Hillary's email scandal got an update. The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks that Bernie is actually starting to help out Hillary (but still under the guise of competition) by distracting the media for her.
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oh ok. Thanks!!
on topic: It's quite the coincidence that the Bernie and Donald debate debacle happened the day after Hillary's email scandal got an update. The conspiracy theorist side of me thinks that Bernie is actually starting to help out Hillary (but still under the guise of competition) by distracting the media for her. |
I would love it if that were true! That would be some awesome media manipulation 
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So, Bernie ordered for a recanvassing of KY and he ended up giving Hillary a delegate? 
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The Clinton legacy was marginalization of Black communities.
You think Trump would be the first bigoted white man to be POTUS? 
Some people are going for the lesser of the two evils.
Like ya'll are so easily played it's sad.
Let Hillary pander to minority groups, get on Ellen and hit the dab, and suddenly she's a "genuine" person. Please. |
1. Please expand on how that was the Clinton legacy.
2. Who has said that makes Hillary genuine? Her AA support was through the roof long before that. More importantly, practically EVERYONE who goes on Ellen dances. From Bieber to Matt Damon to Obama. Ellen herself dances on like every episode. Why when Hillary does it is it some outstanding pandering?
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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Like ya'll are so easily played it's sad.
Let Hillary pander to minority groups, get on Ellen and hit the dab, and suddenly she's a "genuine" person. Please. |
Please strike a better tone in the new thread, please! We're trying to start over.
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So, Bernie ordered for a recanvassing of KY and he ended up giving Hillary a delegate? |
Yes.
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Member Since: 11/15/2009
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So, Bernie ordered for a recanvassing of KY and he ended up giving Hillary a delegate? |
Democracy wins! 
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Whoooooooo tax payers money wasted and Hillary gained a delegate.
Wow RIGGED indeed
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Can't wait Til it's all over. I hope Hillary wins but even if she does the country is so divided I don't feel as though things will get much better.
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I hope she sends a thank you note to Bernie. 
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Whoooooooo tax payers money wasted and Hillary gained a delegate.
Wow RIGGED indeed
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#ByeBernie #BernedOut #BernExtinguished
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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And when he says he wants to ban Muslims, he's not just talking about refugees. He's talking about ALL Muslims across the world.
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Which is kind of ridiculous considering that Indonesia, the country with the most Muslims in it, is just sitting around being peaceful and has nothing to do with the mess
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Cynical is not the right word. It's not simply cynical to accuse Mexican immigrants of being mostly rapists, to suggest that we ban all Muslim refugees from our country, to call respected and highly qualified women "bimbos" on Twitter. He's not a good kind of surprising. The comparisons that have been made between him and Hitler - while I'm not saying I support the comparisons - are rooted in his own actions, views, and words. Any shift that he would prompt would be toward nationalism and intolerance, and that has historically proven to be a horrible kind of shift. European countries are experiencing rising nationalism with consequences that are not positive, that are not admirable.
I don't know what you mean by "Hillary Clinton types" but I don't know that you know exactly what you mean by that either. If you're referring to the perception that she is untruthful or "evil," you'd do well to note that this perception is the product of decades of slander and propaganda.
1) No. Most people didn't even consider it until it was proposed on a national stage by Trump; the idea gained traction as the campaign did. Additionally, its support does not make it justifiable. The will of the many is not ineffable - that's not what democracy really is.
2) Yes, it is actually extreme in theory. He's not proposing not letting in refugees right now, he's proposing we block all immigration from a whole religion without exception. He's not just talking about blocking particular countries or places, but all people who believe in a particular system. That is discrimination and it is not ethically justifiable.
3) That is ridiculous. No man who cannot formulate a respectful and logical stance on abortion without being "prepped" deserves to be elected. Additionally, given his track record, I'm quite certain it was all him and his true opinion, not what the thought the "standard answer" was. That's a horrible cop out.
I don't know what most of this pertains to, but nobody has suggested we tolerate violent extremists.
Hillary "getting her lashings" is an incredible statement. You want to vindictively take out dissatisfaction with the system on a woman who has spent her life fighting for families and women worldwide? I can't support such a suggestion. The idea that all or most politicians need to change for the better is a misguided viewpoint that assumes that there is always a common corruption between them. That is not substantiated. That is not logical. That is not even particularly feasible. It's standard repetition of what I feel is a viewpoint shared by those who fail to look into the facts - it's just taking out anger on someone who people think they can blame.
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I think you misunderstood my point, it's made me cynical, not in the sense that I support calling entire countries rapists, but that I can see why people may end up going for that if they feel completely let down, which many people do.
The Hitler comparisons are really unfounded, saying 'make America great again' does not make you a nationalist fascist. People aren't supporting fascism, they're opposing a status quo. If he tried to do anything like that (which he won't), people won't stand by it. There's nothing akin to the Great Depression, the Republicans aren't like the Nazis, the US Constitution is nothing like the Weimar one, there wasn't a fascist dictator in power 15 years ago. Buzzwords like this are used all the time and always come to basically nothing.
Untruthful perhaps, evil no. I don't think she's a particularly bad person, but I don't think she's a particularly good one either. People are sick of a style of politics which she seems to adhere to; maybe this election will be a good opportunity to change that. I personally don't like some of her views on for example gay marriage (Bernie would have been a better ally, a smart person knows that someone who supports you when it isn't cool is a true ally), but someone who supports gay right for whatever motivations is hardly the worst person ever.
People bandwagoning an admittedly bad idea is just as bad, if not worse, as formulating it themselves.
My understanding is that he wants to halt immigration, expel all illegal migrants, and then let them in if necessary? That isn't that bad in my opinion.
It's not workable, he's gonna realise that eventually, it literally cannot be done, I think he's gonna drop it as part of a deal with the GOP establishment. If he decided 'I can't stop Muslims, I'll stop all Arabs instead', then I'd consider it a different argument.
I'm pretty sure that it was just stupidity rather than his own view, most people who are pro-life wouldn't agree with that and I think he was just saying what he was expected to say. Again I'm not necessarily defending his views, or saying it's a good thing that he did, just that it got twisted. If he were President, I'm sure someone would get this all sorted out. He isn't as extreme as an awful lot of Republicans, that's for sure.
As in, Donald doesn't necessarily need to scrap the whole Muslim idea, just take out the parts which are a complete mess and crack down on extremism using the ideas he put forward. Expanding to all ideologies would really expose the racism behind a lot of the public support for it, I think.
Yep, most politicians have done some good in their life, Hillary is one of them, but the system needs changing. Scapegoats are sad, but the symbolism can be important. As long as it doesn't get into sexist territory or whatever (which it totally will but we can lash him when the time comes) then it's fine by me. He'd do himself an awful lot of good by not attacking her, but just attacking what people think she represents, that'd make him look like the bigger person and she wouldn't really be able to use it against him without defending a system most people hate. Again, this is all in an idealic situation, but I think he really has the potential to do something for the greater good.
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“We accept the results in Kentucky. We are very pleased that we split the delegates in a state with a closed primary in which independents cannot vote and where Secretary Clinton defeated Barack Obama by 35 points in 2008." - statement about KY recount
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that's it, Sanders has officially lost it
EDIT: I mean the closed primary.... Yeah that's what he has been yapping about the whole primary but that OBAMA statement, just not necessary
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Queen Sanders is coming <3
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Y'all are sleeping on Queen Jill Stein. She's coming  .
xox
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Originally posted by Diarrhoea
I think you misunderstood my point, it's made me cynical, not in the sense that I support calling entire countries rapists, but that I can see why people may end up going for that if they feel completely let down, which many people do.
The Hitler comparisons are really unfounded, saying 'make America great again' does not make you a nationalist fascist. People aren't supporting fascism, they're opposing a status quo. If he tried to do anything like that (which he won't), people won't stand by it. There's nothing akin to the Great Depression, the Republicans aren't like the Nazis, the US Constitution is nothing like the Weimar one, there wasn't a fascist dictator in power 15 years ago. Buzzwords like this are used all the time and always come to basically nothing.
Untruthful perhaps, evil no. I don't think she's a particularly bad person, but I don't think she's a particularly good one either. People are sick of a style of politics which she seems to adhere to; maybe this election will be a good opportunity to change that. I personally don't like some of her views on for example gay marriage (Bernie would have been a better ally, a smart person knows that someone who supports you when it isn't cool is a true ally), but someone who supports gay right for whatever motivations is hardly the worst person ever.
People bandwagoning an admittedly bad idea is just as bad, if not worse, as formulating it themselves.
My understanding is that he wants to halt immigration, expel all illegal migrants, and then let them in if necessary? That isn't that bad in my opinion.
It's not workable, he's gonna realise that eventually, it literally cannot be done, I think he's gonna drop it as part of a deal with the GOP establishment. If he decided 'I can't stop Muslims, I'll stop all Arabs instead', then I'd consider it a different argument.
I'm pretty sure that it was just stupidity rather than his own view, most people who are pro-life wouldn't agree with that and I think he was just saying what he was expected to say. Again I'm not necessarily defending his views, or saying it's a good thing that he did, just that it got twisted. If he were President, I'm sure someone would get this all sorted out. He isn't as extreme as an awful lot of Republicans, that's for sure.
As in, Donald doesn't necessarily need to scrap the whole Muslim idea, just take out the parts which are a complete mess and crack down on extremism using the ideas he put forward. Expanding to all ideologies would really expose the racism behind a lot of the public support for it, I think.
Yep, most politicians have done some good in their life, Hillary is one of them, but the system needs changing. Scapegoats are sad, but the symbolism can be important. As long as it doesn't get into sexist territory or whatever (which it totally will but we can lash him when the time comes) then it's fine by me. He'd do himself an awful lot of good by not attacking her, but just attacking what people think she represents, that'd make him look like the bigger person and she wouldn't really be able to use it against him without defending a system most people hate. Again, this is all in an idealic situation, but I think he really has the potential to do something for the greater good. |
I really think you're missing the point. MAGA doesn't make him a nationalist fascist, his entire body of proposals as a whole does. Additionally I'll remind you that we are indeed just now moving on from the biggest economic downturn since that Depression. Hillary supports gay marriage and has actually supported LGBT rights since 1999, but more importantly her style of politics should be the only one that is practiced - common sense, realistic, pragmatic. Donald wanting to expel 12 million undocumented immigrants unilaterally is actually a very bad idea and one that literally cannot be accomplished, as numerous analyses have concluded. His Muslim ban proposal is discriminatory and offensive. His statements on abortion are discriminatory and offensive - and actually without much modern political precedent in the US. We should not accept the idea that a scapegoat is needed, particularly not one who has done so much good for this country.
Donald has no potential for the greater good and I am completely unable to why you might think he has it. It just seems extremely naive to me. I'm of the opinion that we fight back against negative aspects of our society, not suffer even more for any period of time to wait for people to realize the choice they're making is dangerous and wrong.
I also think your view of him is entirely too optimistic. Study's have shown that even the possibility of him being President has negative economic consequences, and other world leaders have already begun to condemn him and his actions. He would exacerbate the social stratification in the US and increase the wage gap. He would be more hawkish than Hillary in some ways and he would actively destroy our diplomatic relations. He is bad for virtually every sector of American life and I honestly don't know how you can't see that.
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She's got this in the bag June 7th 
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