Local to a portion in the US, like never seen on MTV and never heard of in the progressive, industrialised states in the North.
Known nationwide in the US.
Anglosphere:
Quote:
United Kingdom 63,742,977 243,610 262 2,950,039 London
Ireland 4,609,600 70,273 69 250,814 Dublin
United States 321,272,634 9,826,675 32 17,348,075 Washington New York
Canada 34,834,841 9,984,670 3 1,785,387 Ottawa Toronto
Australia 22,507,617 7,741,220 3 1,442,722 Canberra Sydney
New Zealand 4,570,038 267,710 16 197,502 Wellington Auckland
Total 449,212,219 28,134,158 16 23,974,539 — —
Outskirts of the British Empire like Asia where they still have the Anglo-Saxon economics of the state leaving people rot out there and common law offering not job protection or other real rights. If you are lucky to sign a contract, rights can be written in the contract.
The great divide between 2 main cultures in the world is the English Channel. Crossing to Continental Europe means Rhineland economics with a strong state protecting people from being exploited by employers or corporations and civil law offering generous conditions for those without a contract (undefinite employed with at least 3 months notice). We sign contracts to say that the employee is only going to work a week, only doing part time,... This means Katy's brand of giving hope to the poor, the exploited, the hopeless in the Anglo-Saxon (economics) world (including Asia), doesn't mean a thing in Continental Europe with a different reality. The state guarantees that the unemployed not only has food, housing and healthcare, but also to have a minimum of existence meaning that the state ensures the poorest has access to culture like museums, opera, theatre,...
Even further than Continental Europe would be multiple extreme destinations:
Behind the Iron Curtain like how Metallica went to Moscow before the fall of the Soviets and the Berlin Wall.
That crowd as far as the eye can see and really in another world where the GP doesn't have access to bananas and the state decides for them what food/meals are available in the shops. No free markets offering things that are actually demanded by the people. When a girl can beat the white men, she beats everything.
The Middle East, the Arab world.
Africa.
South America.
Taylor is 80% nationwide in the US and 20% of her money making comes from the Anglosphere and a little bit from the outskirts of the British Empire.
Katy is 60% from foreign countries, toured Europe, South America like rock stars pulled 20+ k people out of any random jungle, did the airport of Dubai (Middle East),... The next step for Katy would doing doing the last 5 cities (Cape Town, Tel Aviv, Istanbul, Moscow and Abu Dhabi) to outdo Rih and a few more to outdo Gaga.
If Katy does Havana, Cuba, she enters the tier of the Rolling Stones, closing fast to Madonna's tier.
1989 is Diamond here. Taylor is also a more celebrated celebrity.
Not true at all. 1989 was arguably bigger than any Katy era here, but it's her only huge era here. Katy's been huge here since OOTB era. Plus the ARIA Charts didn't calculate streaming during Katy's runs, it benefited Taylor a lot.
Not true at all. 1989 was arguably bigger than any Katy era here, but it's her only huge era here. Katy's been huge here since OOTB era. Plus the ARIA Charts didn't calculate streaming during Katy's runs, it benefited Taylor a lot.
And Katy's definitely the bigger celebrity here.
Her only huge era here? I'm sorry but have you been living under a rock?
Fearless - 7x platinum
Speak now - 2x platinum
Red - 4x platinum
Take your stan card and sit down deary. Only Pink is bigger than Taylor in Australia.
Oh, so Taylor produces less hits than Katy, but is still able to sell more albums and fill Stafiums? The reflect drag on Katy
Yes, I'll say it again, only Pink has more power than Taylor here.
Why are you just going off album sales though? By that logic Adele is bigger than both because 21 went 15x Plat and 8x Plat+. Taylor went 7x Plat in 2008, slay. But sales were better back then + she's always been a good album seller. Still doesn't change the fact she didn't have more than 2 hits an era until 1989, and that's how you know that there's public interest past the album release week.
Taylor's latest tour had 7 dates here. Katy's had 25. It's pretty clear who's bigger lol
Mexico City
Monterrey
San José
Panama City
Bogotá
Lima
Santiago
Buenos Aires
Rio de Janeiro
Curitiba
Săo Paulo
Barcelona
Lyon
Montpellier
Milan
Prague
Krákow
Vienna
Bratislava
Zurich
Munich
Antwerp
Cologne
Herning
Amsterdam
Hamburg
Riga
Helsinki
Oslo
Stockholm
Guangzhou
Shanghai
Tokyo
Taipei
Macau
Manila
Jakarta
Kallang
Bangkok
1989 Tour:
Cologne
Amsterdam
Tokyo
Kallang
Shanghai
Love how the Swifties ignored this one! Katy has toured more countries than Taylor will ever.
Why are you just going off album sales though? By that logic Adele is bigger than both because 21 went 15x Plat and 8x Plat+. Taylor went 7x Plat in 2008, slay. But sales were better back then + she's always been a good album seller. Still doesn't change the fact she didn't have more than 2 hits an era until 1989, and that's how you know that there's public interest past the album release week.
Taylor's latest tour had 7 dates here. Katy's had 25. It's pretty clear who's bigger lol
Yeah I forgot to mention Adele, she's probably bigger than both too, thanks for the reminder!
I'm not, but album sales>>>Hit singles
If Katy had more power she should be able to sell her albums like Taylor with all those hits she produces, forever a singles artist I guess
You know damn well if Taylor was doing Arenas she would do more dates too. You can't come for her in the touring front when she does stadiums, only other female apart from Madonna
Yeah I forgot to mention Adele, she's probably bigger than both too, thanks for the reminder!
I'm not, but album sales>>>Hit singles
If Katy had more power she should be able to sell her albums like Taylor.
You know damn well if Taylor was doing Arenas she would do more dates too. You can't come for her in the touring front when she does stadiums, only other female apart from Madonna
Katy could have easily done stadiums. As it is she had to keep adding more dates constantly due to the insane demand here. I can't help it that she didn't want to do a stadium tour because she wanted to give her fans a better, more intimate experience. She could have saved time and gotten more money by doing stadiums, sure, but that's not what Katy's about. She worked hard and did 25 shows just to give fans a better tour experience.
Katy grossed $39M and Taylor grossed $24M here, too. Touring > album sales.
Yeah I forgot to mention Adele, she's probably bigger than both too, thanks for the reminder!
I'm not, but album sales>>>Hit singles
If Katy had more power she should be able to sell her albums like Taylor with all those hits she produces, forever a singles artist I guess
You know damn well if Taylor was doing Arenas she would do more dates too. You can't come for her in the touring front when she does stadiums, only other female apart from Madonna
Album sales do not >>>>> Singles sales unless you are Adele where the number is significant.
Taylor selling like 15,000 more albums in a country while Katy has massive hits does not make Taylor more relevant in that country just because she sold more albums
You can use that logic in the US where Taylor has huge hits AND much higher album sales, compared to Katy's huge hits and mediocre album sales. But in other countries, Taylor's album sales are not significant enough to discount singles.
Singles are played everywhere. In stores, on the radio, in malls, etc. Albums are bought and SOLELY listened to by the owner of the album. You can't seriously sit here and try and act like hit singles don't matter.
Bruno Mars was more relevant than Taylor Swift in America in early 2015 with Uptown Funk. Despite Taylor also "selling albums!@#!!!" it's clear what song the public was obsessed with at the time. It's always laughable to me how Taylor fans want to act like singles are irrelevant. They are not. Accept that fact and get over it. Taylor's album sales do not make her the most relevant act in the world. She needs hit singles too (if she didn't she wouldn't be premiering her **** at award shows and what not).
What I don't understand is why people are bringing a US award (Grammys) into a thread about "more global". Like isn't that proving the opposite? lol Grammys are gr8 and all but don't prove which is more global.