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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
How is that any more or less irrational than the idea of a guy in the sky creating us for ***** and giggles?
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Because we aren't here for ***** and giggles. I'd just rather live my life like there is a GOD and there not be one, than I live my life like there isn't and find out there is.
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Ah! I would've vented more points if only I was fluent in English. There are so many things I would like to share and express in basis of faith and religion but I just can't do it effectively in English. But the last thing that I want to impart with those people who are skeptical or who completely denies the existence of God, maybe the title of this thread is right. Atheists and agnostics know more about religion. They have a wider knowledge that's why they have the choice to accept or resist some beliefs. But guys, wisdom is greater than knowledge. There are so many educated, busy, successful, wealthy people, most of them are fulfilled and accomplished with their dreams and goals, but at the end of the day, are they genuinely happy and contented with their lives? And in contrast, there are also people who are living a simple and ordinary life, yet they are happy and contented with what they have in their lives. They are thankful for today and hopeful for the days ahead. I'm not generalizing though. My point is no matter who you are, what situation you are in, true happiness and contentment can't be found from the material things that this world offers. There are so many prominent people we know that we would think are living an almost perfect life and blessed with so many things that most people can only dream about like vast wealth, fame, success and recognition, yet they end up in jail, or in a rehab, or much worse, their lives are cut short. True happiness comes from God. It is when you find God your search for temporal pleasure and material things end. It's okay if you don't want to adhere to any denomination. Religion is only formed by people as a representation of their submission, obedience and worship to the Lord. And thus, it is flawed at some parts. But to dismiss or rule out God's existence, you are making a monumental mistake in your life . God is the only One who can give purpose and meaning to your life. He is the only One who can take your burdens away. And He is the One who can lead you to that fulfilled life and a happy death that most people in this world failed to attain in the end. ...If only you would believe. Believing or faith is the first step.
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Originally posted by TSDMusicND
Im not an atheist but Im not those kind of people who thinks that God is the one who made the world and stuff
My history teacher said that she doesnt believe in god because God is something that Human create, is something that humans have in mind just to use it as an "excuse"
For example when happens something good to us or bad we always think it was somebody else who made it on "person", so we blame that person (God)
But, me personally, I'm very confuse about if God exists or not
I believe in Jesus but in God im with a lot of doubts!
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This is exactly how I've been feeling for like ever.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Ah! I would've vented more points if only I was fluent in English. There are so many things I would like to share and express in basis of faith and religion but I just can't do it effectively in English. But the last thing that I want to impart with those people who are skeptical or who completely denies the existence of God, maybe the title of this thread is right. Atheists and agnostics know more about religion. They have a wider knowledge that's why they have the choice to accept or resist some beliefs. But guys, wisdom is greater than knowledge. There are so many educated, busy, successful, wealthy people, most of them are fulfilled and accomplished with their dreams and goals, but at the end of the day, are they genuinely happy and contented with their lives? And in contrast, there are also people who are living a simple and ordinary life, yet they are happy and contented with what they have in their lives. They are thankful for today and hopeful for the days ahead. I'm not generalizing though. My point is no matter who you are, what situation you are in, true happiness and contentment can't be found from the material things that this world offers. There are so many prominent people we know that we would think are living an almost perfect life and blessed with so many things that most people can only dream about like vast wealth, fame, success and recognition, yet they end up in jail, or in a rehab, or much worse, their lives are cut short. True happiness comes from God. It is when you find God your search for temporal pleasure and material things end. It's okay if you don't want to adhere to any denomination. Religion is only formed by people as a representation of their submission, obedience and worship to the Lord. And thus, it is flawed at some parts. But to dismiss or rule out God's existence, you are making a monumental mistake in your life . God is the only One who can give purpose and meaning to your life. He is the only One who can take your burdens away. And He is the One who can lead you to that fulfilled life and a happy death that most people in this world failed to attain in the end. ...If only you would believe. Believing or faith is the first step.
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Your English is excellent by the way. You'd get all A's in my Literature class 
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Originally posted by fabbriche
The difference is that we, who believe in God, have something called FAITH. This is what the atheists, agnostics, skeptics are lacking. We are more than certain that God really exists not because we see Him by our naked eyes but because we feel Him in our everyday lives. It would so hard and even impossible to insinuate this truth to a non-believer. But really, experience is the best teacher. When you experience Him act in your life, you will not need eyes to see inorder to believe. Actually those people who are always looking for proofs and evidence first before they believe that He truly exists have very shallow understanding of God. But when you finally realize on yourself after maybe a life-changing experience or a simple realization upon a scrutiny of something, you will not only have a deeper understanding of God, but you will also have a closer and personal relationship with Him.
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I have faith in myself, and I don't need any religion or belief in a supernatural force in my life to be a happy person. Thank you very much.
By the way, why does this God you're talking about have to be a he? Sounds like sexism to me.
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Originally posted by !!!
I have faith in myself, and I don't need any religion or belief in a supernatural force in my life to be a happy person. Thank you very much.
By the way, why does this God you're talking about have to be a he? Sounds like sexism to me.
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God, angels, saints, spirits even Satan and other demons have no gender. They only appear as males or females to us humans for us to understand and address them better. But their true nature transcends time, space, sex, formation, destruction, etc. In life after death, all earthly factors and elements are no longer existent. There is only either eternal bliss or eternal suffering.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
It's certainly true. I'm speaking from personal experiences. Also, plenty of people in my family are high ranking church officials. Some even pastor over churches.
Plenty of children blindly follow into religion because of the way their parents raised them. Geez already said it perfectly himself.
Also, the Sun rises because of science, specifically because the Earth rotates, which has been proven. It has nothing to do with a God. The same goes for natural disasters that Christians say is the effect of God's wrath when it's been proven by science that it's not. I'm not an atheist either, so don't bother trying to tell me otherwise. 
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oh please, Isaac Newton IS science and even believes in a higher power. 
The point is that **** just doesn't happen on its own. Science cant 100% prove much of anything religion related. It cant even prove if there even is a GOD or not. Does science know 100% how the earth came about? No. So us Christians and science believers are in the same boat.
And by ' Not True' i basically meant you cant say thats 100% of the case, because you have people like me who took it upon themselves to learn about religion.
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Originally posted by WheresJay
Your English is excellent by the way. You'd get all A's in my Literature class |
Thank you.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
The difference is that we, who believe in God, have something called FAITH. This is what the atheists, agnostics, skeptics are lacking. We are more than certain that God really exists not because we see Him by our naked eyes but because we feel Him in our everyday lives. It would so hard and even impossible to insinuate this truth to a non-believer. But really, experience is the best teacher. When you experience Him act in your life, you will not need eyes to see inorder to believe. Actually those people who are always looking for proofs and evidence first before they believe that He truly exists have very shallow understanding of God. But when you finally realize on yourself after maybe a life-changing experience or a simple realization upon a scrutiny of something, you will not only have a deeper understanding of God, but you will also have a closer and personal relationship with Him.
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I'm going to try and say this to you as nicely as possible, because I normally don't act very nice to people who try to force their beliefs upon me: You are doing exactly what I was fighting against, and I would really like you to stop. No, seriously, stop. No pushing that you could give me would ever make my decision for me. If that was the case, my father alone would have made that decision three years ago. I get enough pushing from him. I don't need it from you.
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Originally posted by Red
I'm going to try and say this to you as nicely as possible, because I normally don't act very nice to people who try to force their beliefs upon me: You are doing exactly what I was fighting against, and I would really like you to stop. No, seriously, stop. No pushing that you could give me would ever make my decision for me. If that was the case, my father alone would have made that decision three years ago. I get enough pushing from him. I don't need it from you.
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I feel I'm in the minority here by saying I don't think he was pushing at all. I think he just has a deep belief in his religion and wants others to share it. I've met these types many times. He never did go as far as to bash someone for not believing and that is what is important. I only care about tolerance. He doesn't have to like it.
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Originally posted by yankee04
I feel I'm in the minority here by saying I don't think he was pushing at all. I think he just has a deep belief in his religion and wants others to share it. I've met these types many times. He never did go as far as to bash someone for not believing and that is what is important. I only care about tolerance. He doesn't have to like it.
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Sorry, I do tend to overreact when it comes to this subject, because it seems like I've been pushed toward Christianity my entire life, even if I disagreed. He did it pretty respectfully, which is better than most people, I'll give him that. And he has EVERY right to believe in what he wants to believe in, as I've said. I just hope he understands that trying to persuade me to believe in God is pretty much a weekly occurrence for me, and it REALLY grates at me because it never stops. I don't blame him for believing strongly in his religion. I blame the people that surround me every day trying to tell me that God is a pretty swell invisible force that I should really consider. I remember one time at UK when there were men of God standing on every street corner around campus. They were EVERYWHERE.
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Originally posted by Red
I'm going to try and say this to you as nicely as possible, because I normally don't act very nice to people who try to force their beliefs upon me: You are doing exactly what I was fighting against, and I would really like you to stop. No, seriously, stop. No pushing that you could give me would ever make my decision for me. If that was the case, my father alone would have made that decision three years ago. I get enough pushing from him. I don't need it from you.
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Like I've said earlier, I'm not forcing nor even convincing at the very least anybody here to believe in what I believe in. I'm just expressing my thoughts and opinions and knowledge about my religion, and faith in general. I'm also aware that no matter how eloquent or knowledgeable your are about certain subjects you still can't sway anybody from their beliefs.
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Originally posted by WheresJay
Because we aren't here for ***** and giggles. I'd just rather live my life like there is a GOD and there not be one, than I live my life like there isn't and find out there is.
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What does this mean? It reads as if your implying that following god is synonomous with having morlas, while being an atheist means one is on the opposite end of the spectrum...
That would definately be ironic considering that atheist, agnostics, and many religious people (not of the main 3: christ. islam. judas.) live their lives without the hatred for "others" that plague the main 3. 
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Originally posted by fabbriche
Like I've said earlier, I'm not forcing nor even convincing at the very least anybody here to believe in what I believe in. I'm just expressing my thoughts and opinions and knowledge about my religion, and faith in general. I'm also aware that no matter how eloquent or knowledgeable your are about certain subjects you still can't sway anybody from their beliefs.
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I totally understand that you have a really deep belief in what you believe in, and I respect that, and I'm glad that you don't feel the need to try to force your beliefs upon me. I just read your post as yet another attempt for someone to try and pull me toward God again, and I do apologize for misinterpreting you.
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Originally posted by WheresJay
oh please, Isaac Newton IS science and even believes in a higher power.
The point is that **** just doesn't happen on its own. Science cant 100% prove much of anything religion related. It cant even prove if there even is a GOD or not. Does science know 100% how the earth came about? No. So us Christians and science believers are in the same boat.
And by ' Not True' i basically meant you cant say thats 100% of the case, because you have people like me who took it upon themselves to learn about religion. |
NO.
***the bible says the earth is 8,000 years old as of now. therefore, WRONG
***the bible says the earth was create in 7 days. therefore, WRONG
i can go on but i won't..... so do not come in here saying the bible and religion are compatible when they are absolutely not..... i'm guessing you haven't read the bible either. 
Also, are you familiar with the term "logic"?
i ask because your belief in God's unexplained existence is in direct contrast to your (and most christians) belief that "**** just dosen't happen on it's own" aka "something can't come from nothing"
According to your belief god had to have been created by something, no? Why is he allowed to "poof" into existence but the earth isn't? 
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Anyone interested in religion should read up on Rene Descartes proof of the existence of God. It is quite an interesting read. I had to read it for a philosophy class. I actually wrote my research paper for the class on proving Descartes wrong (not wrong in the sense that there is no God. I simply mean wrong in the sense he didn't prove anything). I got an A on the paper. Still an interesting read though. It will make you think.
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I don't like discussing religion/politics because it always starts a war. I didn't know there were so many atheists here, I believe in God, but I don't necessarily believe everything in the bible.
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Originally posted by WheresJay
Because we aren't here for ***** and giggles. I'd just rather live my life like there is a GOD and there not be one, than I live my life like there isn't and find out there is.
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Then why are we here?
He made us for seemingly no reason and then when we try to seek knowledge (Eve took a fruit from the Tree Of Knowledge of Good & Evil and that's why her and Adam were no longer blind to the fact that they were naked) he punishes us. So now we have to live by a set of morals, fear him, worship him, etc so that we can die and be with him again. But if we act like we don't know her we get thrown in a fiery dumpster. Sounds like a game to me.
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I think fabbriche is very good at explaining himself & I don't feel like he was shoving anything down anyone's throats.
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I think that people are so disrespectful when they say that it happened something good to them because of the power of god, how about the ones suffering from hunger, war, diseases, death.... and pray everyday yet only **** happens to them? don't they think of those people? why god would help ones and ignore the others?
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