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Poll: Rhythm Nation vs. Like A Prayer: Madonna vs. Janet (1989)
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Janet Jacksons Rhythm Nation 1814
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Madonnas Like A Prayer
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Member Since: 3/11/2011
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Originally posted by wanderlust
Every popstar wants to create their own Like a Prayer.
the controversy, the love for the album, all the praise from the critics, the pop perfection, the catholic references, the amazing tour that followed it which got named the best tour of the 90s by Rolling Stone.
Not everyone has that.
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Controversy. Critical acclaim. Tour.
It's kinda funny (?) how you all never actually mention anything related to music or skill.
Forget talent. Forget musicianship. But yes. Catholic references and controversy.
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Originally posted by KTLe
We're not upset when we see "MADONNA vs people' faves" thread. It's quite entertaining to see how much one really can try to discredit MADONNA or tell lies about her and spread them. We're not upset when we see the name Janet or MADONNA's peers. It just reminds us how hard MADONNA has been working to stay right up with the current artists and give those modern artists a run for their money. Don't put words into our mouths next time
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I can put words in your mouth as well as I can put thoughts in your head. I'm not that good at either. If I was, we'd have far more interesting and nuanced conversation.
"Telling lies about Madonna and spreading them". LOL. You're funny. Is this supposed to be funny? Cos I'm hollering.
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I won't choose I love both albums and both are seminal works in the pop culture canon deserving of respect
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Originally posted by Chimier
Controversy. Critical acclaim. Tour.
It's kinda funny (?) how you all never actually mention anything related to music or skill.
Forget talent. Forget musicianship. But yes. Catholic references and controversy.
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Oh dear, did you just miss that POP PERFECTION from the post you quoted?
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Member Since: 10/19/2011
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Originally posted by Chimier
Controversy. Critical acclaim. Tour.
It's kinda funny (?) how you all never actually mention anything related to music or skill.
Forget talent. Forget musicianship. But yes. Catholic references and controversy.
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what do you want me to do? give an essay on the different compositions, music notes, and production she used?
the music itself is absolutely amazing, but that's a given, like I said, it's praised by critics. from Rolling Stone, and I quote "Like a Prayer is as being as close to art as pop can get". The album literally got compared to Art. and that happened in the 80s when competition was high. because unlike you, I could never deny that despite janet's whispers and really, lack of any vocal talent or songwriting talent for that matter, she's certainly a force in music who inspired many people.
people all over the world love Like a Prayer. it's not even up for debate.
but while we're at it, Madonna made this album with Patrick Leonard who praised her musicianship and work ethic, vocals, and talent as a songwriter AND producer.
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Rhythm Nation is boring and honestly, for all the talk of its "impact," forgotten.
Which song on Rhythm Nation is a genuinely, remembered classic? I grew up hearing songs from Like A Prayer everywhere, even before I knew who Madonna was. Same way Always Be My Baby, Hero, I Will Always Love You, Greatest Love Of All (just to name a few) were songs that were lodged in my memory, before I ever knew there existed human beings named Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston.
Which song on Rhythm Nation (or even from Janet's entire discography) can be said to have achieved that level of ubiquity? Why do you people insist on talking like you actually experienced anything of this woman's career beyond what you've learned from wikipedia? (And by the way, no matter how many times I wikipedia + youtube the songs on Rhythm Nation, I can never seem to remember anything beyond the title track. But that's just me.)
The woman was popular during her time and that's all well and good, but why the consistent attempts to make her out to be something she isn't? If she is such a legend, why not rest easy with that knowledge? Why the ceaseless attempts to force people to accept it too? The obsession is truly bizarre.
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Member Since: 8/31/2013
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Originally posted by KTLe
We're not upset when we see "MADONNA vs people' faves" thread. It's quite entertaining to see how much one really can try to discredit MADONNA or tell lies about her and spread them. We're not upset when we see the name Janet or MADONNA's peers. It just reminds us how hard MADONNA has been working to stay right up with the current artists and give those modern artists a run for their money. Don't put words into our mouths next time
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Whats a trip is that you among a few others here want to talk about Madonna being "underacknowledged", of all people. You want to talk about Madonnas erasure when this thread is also about Janet Jackson of whom the industry and people such as yourself ACTUALLY try to ignore. Madonna is credited constantly, even when unnecessary. Shes credited for a high ponytail. And you want to talk about erasure? Yikes.
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Originally posted by Chimier
I can put words in your mouth as well as I can put thoughts in your head.
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Oh wow Just like i thought
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Originally posted by KTLe
Oh dear, did you just miss that POP PERFECTION from the post you quoted?
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Because POP PERFECTION is synonymous with TALENT and MUSICIANSHIP. Oh wait....
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Originally posted by KTLe
Oh wow Just like i thought
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I see that just flew over your head, huh.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
what do you want me to do? give an essay on the different compositions, notes, and production she used?
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Don't give me anything. Please. Spare me. Spare me the "critical acclaim" schtick. Just spare me.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
the music itself is absolutely amazing, but that's a given, like I said, it's praised by critics. from Rolling Stone, and I quote "Like a Prayer is as being as close to art as pop can get". The album literally got compared to Art. and that happened in the 80s when competition was high.
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Oh dear...too late.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
because unlike you, I could never deny that despite janet's whispers and really, lack of any vocal talent or songwriting talent for that matter, she's certainly a force in music who inspired many people.
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Show me where in this thread I denied Madonna's influence or the fact that she's a pop phenom. I'll wait.
If you want to talk about another artist's lack of vocal talent, you're probably in the worst position to do it, being a Madonna stan. I'd say you almost played yourself, but then again, I never was a very good liar. You played yourself BAD with that one.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
people all over the world love Like a Prayer. it's not even up for debate.
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That's amazing. Where did I debate this?
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Originally posted by wanderlust
but while we're at it, Madonna made this album with Patrick Leonard who praised her musicianship and work ethic, vocals, and talent as a songwriter AND producer.
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There y'all go again....
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
Rhythm Nation is boring and honestly, for all the talk of its "impact," forgotten.
Which song on Rhythm Nation is a genuinely, remembered classic? I grew up hearing songs from Like A Prayer everywhere, even before I knew who Madonna was. Same way Always Be My Baby, Hero, I Will Always Love You, Greatest Love Of All (just to name a few) were songs that were lodged in my memory, before I ever knew there existed human beings named Mariah Carey or Whitney Houston.
Which song on Rhythm Nation (or even from Janet's entire discography) can be said to have achieved that level of ubiquity? Why do you people insist on talking like you actually experienced anything of this woman's career beyond what you've learned from wikipedia? (And by the way, no matter how many times I wikipedia + youtube the songs on Rhythm Nation, I can never seem to remember anything beyond the title track. But that's just me.)
The woman was popular during her time and that's all well and good, but why the consistent attempts to make her out to be something she isn't? If she is such a legend, why not rest easy with that knowledge? Why the ceaseless attempts to force people to accept it too? The obsession is truly bizarre.
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Okay. That's a wrap folks. Time to lock this thread in anticipation of Janetgeddon 2.0.
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Originally posted by Misanthrope
Whats a trip is that you among a few others here want to talk about Madonna being "underacknowledged", of all people. You want to talk about Madonnas erasure when this thread is also about Janet Jackson of whom the industry and people such as yourself ACTUALLY try to ignore. Madonna is credited constantly, even when unnecessary. Shes credited for a high ponytail. And you want to talk about erasure? Yikes.
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Oh she is probably hated for breathing and celebrating her life right now. I don't try to ignore Janet. I just ignore her. I tried to listen to her albums but I didn't like it. However, I don't go everywhere and discredit or talk ***** about her. You can check my posts on ATRL to see if I have ever talked ***** about Janet or any MADONNA's peers I'm different than what you are. I don't discredit/shade Janet to make MADONNA look better. I don't
Are you still trying to get your thread closed by chance?
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Originally posted by Chimier
Controversy. Critical acclaim. Tour.
It's kinda funny (?) how you all never actually mention anything related to music or skill.
Forget talent. Forget musicianship. But yes. Catholic references and controversy.
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Really? Musicmanship? In reference to Madonna, the woman who has written + produced some of the most iconic pop music in history, as opposed to Janet Jackson, the dancer who whispers over Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis beats?
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Eeeeek, the essay on this page.
I prefer RN.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Because POP PERFECTION is synonymous with TALENT and MUSICIANSHIP. Oh wait....
I see that just flew over your head, huh.
Don't give me anything. Please. Spare me. Spare me the "critical acclaim" schtick. Just spare me.
And if you want to talk about another artist's lack of vocal talent, you're probably in the worst position to do it, being a Madonna stan. I'd say you almost played yourself, but then again, I never was a very good liar. You played yourself BAD with that one.
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yes it is my dear. If you don't have TALENT and MUSICANSHIP, how in hell can you make POP PERFETION happen?
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Member Since: 12/22/2010
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Originally posted by eli's_rhythm
Okay. That's a wrap folks. Time to lock this thread in anticipation of Janetgeddon 2.0.
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As if. You Janet lovers will really latch on to any opportunity to exaggerate her "impact".
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
Really? Musicmanship? In reference to Madonna, the woman who has written + produced some of the most iconic pop music in history, as opposed to Janet Jackson, the dancer who whispers over Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis beats?
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Both of these women are both in charge of their domain, their sound, their messages, and yet also both largely accused of not being involved solely for the fact that they are females making commercial pop music. And here you have the audacity to imply that Janet is purely a Britney-esque puppet? She along with Jimmy and Terry actually created a new sub-genre of music and you're sitting there calling her a puppet and Madonna a craftsman. I can't. I shouldn't bring race into this but I have to bet you're a white boy.
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Originally posted by Chimier
Because POP PERFECTION is synonymous with TALENT and MUSICIANSHIP. Oh wait....
I see that just flew over your head, huh.
Don't give me anything. Please. Spare me. Spare me the "critical acclaim" schtick. Just spare me.
And if you want to talk about another artist's lack of vocal talent, you're probably in the worst position to do it, being a Madonna stan. I'd say you almost played yourself, but then again, I never was a very good liar. You played yourself BAD with that one.
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I have never said Madonna is the best singer in the world, and neither has she. but you come here talking about "TALENT" and "MUSICIANSHIP" when you know just as well as I do that when it comes to vocals janet is basically a professional whisperer.
and I only "put janet down" in here because you janet fans are doing it constantly with madonna. I dont even really care about that perfect voice, as long as they dont "sing" like britney and just know how to translate their message with their voice to an audience, Im good.
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Originally posted by wanderlust
what do you want me to do? give an essay on the different compositions, music notes, and production she used?
the music itself is absolutely amazing, but that's a given, like I said, it's praised by critics. from Rolling Stone, and I quote "Like a Prayer is as being as close to art as pop can get". The album literally got compared to Art. and that happened in the 80s when competition was high. because unlike you, I could never deny that despite janet's whispers and really, lack of any vocal talent or songwriting talent for that matter, she's certainly a force in music who inspired many people.
people all over the world love Like a Prayer. it's not even up for debate.
but while we're at it, Madonna made this album with Patrick Leonard who praised her musicianship and work ethic, vocals, and talent as a songwriter AND producer.
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Not a Madonna stan talking about lack of songwriting talent when she doesn't even have a mere 10 songs that she can claim she wrote solely by herself.
They both made use of several co-writers but at the end of the day at least Janet can say she has been the sole writer of a #1 hit.
And the nerve of a Madonna stan to talk about vocal talent. The way ya'll keep proving Chimier and Misanthrope right is just
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Originally posted by TheFireLexus
As if. You Janet lovers will really latch on to any opportunity to exaggerate her "impact".
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...what? I'm literally talking about the barrage of Janet bait threads that ATRL farted out a couple weeks ago. You're not saying anything I haven't seen before and I have no interest in responding to it. Keep hating if that's what makes you happy I guess.
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Guess I might as well post this
All so recent too!
Talented, brilliant, incredible, amazing, show-stopping, spectacular, never-the-same, totally unique, completely-not-ever-been-done-before, unafraid to reference or not reference, put it in a blender, s*** on it, vomit on it, eat it, give birth to it.
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