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Discussion: Why is Beyoncé shaded for being a "celebrity"?
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Originally posted by Cupcake.
I feel as if her catalogue wont be as remembered as her brand. Much like Janet Jackson.
She hasn't done anything for the music industry like Britney, Christina, Madonna and the rest of her peers have.
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I just feel like Beyonce's entire career she has been successful, but her PR team wants to make us believe that she was this artist that was always bigger than anyone else her whole career and that's not true at all. She was always there in the charts but never on the top of tops.
They made a huge investment in media to upgrade her celeb status this last few years and make it seem like she was this top women of the world, when is not the true at all.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I just feel like Beyonce's entire career she has been successful, but her PR team wants to make us believe that she was this artist that was always bigger than anyone else her whole career and that's not true at all. She was always there in the charts but never on the top of tops.
They made a huge investment in media to upgrade her celeb status this last few years and make it seem like she was this top women of the world, when is not the true at all.
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Most Powerful Musician in the World
World's Most Powerful Celebrity
Female Artist of the Decade
Artist of the Millennium
International Artist Of Excellence
Most Influential Person
Artist of the decade
All things she's been named.
I mean you gurls lose. We're not making this up. Let go and let God.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I just feel like Beyonce's entire career she has been successful, but her PR team wants to make us believe that she was this artist that was always bigger than anyone else her whole career and that's not true at all. She was always there in the charts but never on the top of tops.
They made a huge investment in media to upgrade her celeb status this last few years and make it seem like she was this top women of the world, when is not the true at all.
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As a Beyoncé stan, I can genuinely see where you're coming from. But I feel the fact that she's arguably the most talented pop girl and the greatest living performer/entertainer kind of compensates for the fact that she hasn't had very many successful singles the past few years. It's not all about the charts. Besides, she already has a catalogue of hits and signature songs. Yeah, some more would be great, but it's not exactly like she needs them to prove herself. She's already proven herself.
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Originally posted by QueenBeyoncé
Most Powerful Musician in the World
World's Most Powerful Celebrity
Female Artist of the Decade
Artist of the Millennium
International Artist Of Excellence
Most Influential Person
Artist of the decade
All things she's been named.
I mean you gurls lose. We're not making this up. Let go and let God.
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Like we've said multiple times, all those things are titles given to her by some random industry magazine or publication. Where are the real stats? If she's the biggest female artist in history behind Madonna where is her 10+ million selling album? Or a massive worldwide hit single? The world is just not here for her music the same way they are for her as a celebrity. Kim K realness
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Originally posted by Trent W
I just feel like Beyonce's entire career she has been successful, but her PR team wants to make us believe that she was this artist that was always bigger than anyone else her whole career and that's not true at all. She was always there in the charts but never on the top of tops.
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5 solo #1 albums (7 w/ Destinys Child)
5 solo #1 singles (9 w/ Destinys Child)
Crazy In Love was the #1 WW female single of 2003
Irreplaceable was the #1 single of 2007
Single Ladies was the highest selling song of 2008
IASF was the #1 female album of 2008
#1 highest grossing female tour of 2013
etc.
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Originally posted by idkher
Like we've said multiple times, all those things are titles given to her by some random industry magazine or publication. Where are the real stats? If she's the biggest female artist in history behind Madonna where is her 10+ million selling album? Or a massive worldwide hit single? The world is just not here for her music the same way they are for her as a celebrity. Kim K realness
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Those titles were giving to her because of her success in MUSIC which she sold over 200 million records, 490+ awards, with the fastest selling album in itunes history. Mariah was named artist of the decade for her success in music. Let go and let God. Being this pressed over someone is not healthy.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I just feel like Beyonce's entire career she has been successful, but her PR team wants to make us believe that she was this artist that was always bigger than anyone else her whole career and that's not true at all. She was always there in the charts but never on the top of tops.
They made a huge investment in media to upgrade her celeb status this last few years and make it seem like she was this top women of the world, when is not the true at all.
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Great Point's Trent.
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Originally posted by idkher
Like we've said multiple times, all those things are titles given to her by some random industry magazine or publication. Where are the real stats? If she's the biggest female artist in history behind Madonna where is her 10+ million selling album? Or a massive worldwide hit single? The world is just not here for her music the same way they are for her as a celebrity. Kim K realness
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I thought I was the only one that thought she was turning into Kim K.
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Originally posted by idkher
Like we've said multiple times, all those things are titles given to her by some random industry magazine or publication. Where are the real stats? If she's the biggest female artist in history behind Madonna where is her 10+ million selling album? Or a massive worldwide hit single? The world is just not here for her music the same way they are for her as a celebrity. Kim K realness
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You agree with the post that has said she has had a 15 year career right? Cause Survivor, the Writings on the Wall, and even DIL which is at 9.5 M are her 10 M selling albums. Singles check Halo, SL and CIL. I'm sorry she doesn't have most of her albums selling over 6 million for no reason.
You lose. Try again.
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Originally posted by Adele Addict
It's more that Beyoncé is better known for being Beyoncé than for her actual music. She's more known as a celebrity rather than as an artist. I love Beyoncé, and this is not intended as shade at all, but if you think about it, even though she's had some memorable hits, she's much better known just for being famous. Pretty much everyone in the entire world knows who Beyoncé is, but, believe or not, there's a lot of people who can't name a single song by her.
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Well it's true.. at least in my country.
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Originally posted by Monkey_Juice
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Her being celebrity is overshadowing her as a musician. This whole era was a good example, musically she has not done anything extraordinary and her stats are not impressive.
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
As a Beyoncé stan, I can genuinely see where you're coming from. But I feel the fact that she's arguably the most talented pop girl and the greatest living performer/entertainer kind of compensates for the fact that she hasn't had very many successful singles the past few years. It's not all about the charts. Besides, she already has a catalogue of hits and signature songs. Yeah, some more would be great, but it's not exactly like she needs them to prove herself. She's already proven herself.
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I agree that she can she has the talent to sustain all these titles that the media gave her. The only thing that bothers me is the over-inflation and them trying to re-write the past. Beyonce first eras solo and DC were overshadowed by many other popstars, I can name so many. The time where she really started blowing up to the standards that the media has her was during the IASF era and then she recovered after falling in the 4 era with BEYONCÉ in the US. But she wasn't as big as they are portraying her these days. So my whole point remains that her ''celebrity'' status is what is making her a legend not so much by her music career in the US.
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Originally posted by QueenBeyoncé
Those titles were giving to her because of her success in MUSIC which she sold over 200 million records, 490+ awards, with the fastest selling album in itunes history. Mariah was named artist of the decade for her success in music. Let go and let God. Being this pressed over someone is not healthy.
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You clearly don't understand what I'm saying so there's really no point. Also Beyonce was not named artist of the decade by Billboard, Eminem was. She was #4.
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Originally posted by Trent W
I agree that she can she has the talent to sustain all these titles that the media gave her. The only thing that bothers me is the over-inflation and them trying to re-write the past. Beyonce first eras solo and DC were overshadowed by many other popstars, I can name so many. The time where she really started blowing up to the standards that the media has her was during the IASF era and she recovered after falling in the 4 era with BEYONCÉ in the US. But she wasn't as big as they are portraying her these days. So my whole point remains that her ''celebrity'' status is what is making her a legend not so much by her music career in the US.
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Yeah but even if there were bigger pop stars at the time, Beyoncé is probably enjoying longevity where they won't. That's the thing about success, it compounds on itself. So it's not so much about rewriting the past as it is about staying relevant. Yeah, Britney was way bigger in the early 2000s, but she hasn't maintained her level of talent. She doesn't dance as well as she used to and she's the only pop star who never sings live. As a result, her success is increasingly starting to look like it will exist only in the past, whereas Beyonce's success compounds on top of each era.
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Originally posted by King B
You agree with the post that has said she has had a 15 year career right? Cause Survivor, the Writings on the Wall, and even DIL which is at 9.5 M are her 10 M selling albums. Singles check Halo, SL and CIL. I'm sorry she doesn't have most of her albums selling over 6 million for no reason.
You lose. Try again.
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I don't think it's fair to include Destiny's Child albums with Beyonce's discography so no. Those three singles were not worldwide smashes, did any of those even go #1 in more than 3 countries? I'm talking about an I Will Always Love You, My Heart Will Go On, All I Want for Christmas is You sized hit. Or even a Poker Face/Roar/WFL sized hit.....
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Some of the replies
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Originally posted by idkher
Like we've said multiple times, all those things are titles given to her by some random industry magazine or publication. Where are the real stats? If she's the biggest female artist in history behind Madonna where is her 10+ million selling album? Or a massive worldwide hit single? The world is just not here for her music the same way they are for her as a celebrity. Kim K realness
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there's LITERALLY NO "Kim K." realness. Having a "massive worldwide hit single" doesn't make you a huge success and not having one doesn't make you unsuccessful.
You're making yourself sound like an imbecile with these inane arguments.
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Originally posted by idkher
I don't think it's fair to include Destiny's Child albums with Beyonce's discography so no. Those three singles were not worldwide smashes, did any of those even go #1 in more than 3 countries? I'm talking about an I Will Always Love You, My Heart Will Go On, All I Want for Christmas is You sized hit. Or even a Poker Face/Roar/WFL sized hit.....
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But you agreed with the post that said she has a 15 year old career, no? Stop backtracking and contradicting yourself. And SL sold 10 M (check IFPI) and halo sold 8 M (IFPI).
Your move.
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Originally posted by idkher
I don't think it's fair to include Destiny's Child albums with Beyonce's discography so no. Those three singles were not worldwide smashes, did any of those even go #1 in more than 3 countries? I'm talking about an I Will Always Love You, My Heart Will Go On, All I Want for Christmas is You sized hit. Or even a Poker Face/Roar/WFL sized hit.....
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One second "Beyoncé ( female artist of the decade and Artist Of The Millennium) should sell more because she's been in the industry for 15+ years" then suddenly "it's not fair to include DC"
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
Yeah but even if there were bigger pop stars at the time, Beyoncé is probably enjoying longevity where they won't. That's the thing about success, it compounds on itself. So it's not so much about rewriting the past as it is about staying relevant. Yeah, Britney was way bigger in the early 2000s, but she hasn't maintained her level of talent. She doesn't dance as well as she used to and she's the only pop star who never sings live. As a result, her success is increasingly starting to look like it will exist only in the past, whereas Beyonce's success compounds on top of each era.
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I agree with the Britney part, but we also have Pink, who is a more successful musician than Beyonce in a WW scale and has a bigger music career. Why is no one paying attention to Pink's status? Because she is not a recognized celebrity. I think that this example alone proves exactly what I mean.
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So we are discussing which parts of her we can belittle or are lower than others in her overall career?
Well I guess its better than some of these other threads..... which artist are we going to do next, well which artists can we actually have this discussion about really?
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