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Celeb News: 5H Trademark hasn't included Camila since May 2016
Member Since: 10/10/2009
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Originally posted by shelven
If Camila had decided she wasn't going to stay in the group, her lawyer wouldn't make sure she was included in the trademark. We agree on that. But you've yet to explain to me how this means that the other four girls couldn't have still been trying to convince her to stay past this point. By not disputing my point about how she could have theoretically been added later, I assume you agree that that's a fact. So if 4H knew she could still be added, they could have kept trying to convince her to stay in the group even though in her mind, she wasn't willing to budge. Ironically, all you're proving is that Camila appeared to be completely unwilling to consider changing her mind, which supports the accusations of her not showing up to group therapy and discussion sessions.
Anyways, I think I'm done here. You guys can keep claiming that the girls were lying for the next 50 years if it makes you happy, but ultimately you just look silly by claiming they were lying for saying something that they didn't actually say. So like have fun, I guess.
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
lol you don't have to believe me if you don't want to, but that's a rough telling of what happened. None of this refutes the girls' 2nd statement, which was 100% true.
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You can say things that are both true, and presented in such a way as to seem like something else. They framed their statement as if Camila was this bitch who couldn't be reigned in and skipped every chance to "SAVE" the group, when in reality, she skipped because SHE ALREADY MADE HER DECISION TO LEAVE, way back when.
There's a big difference between someone who (all but unoficially, though now seemingly officially ) exists a situation, vs someone who disappears into the wind and can't be reached and gives the middle finger to everyone blowing up their phone. They painted her as the latter.
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Member Since: 10/1/2011
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Originally posted by inspiration4
You can say things that are both true, and presented in such a way as to seem like something else. They framed their statement as if Camila was this bitch who couldn't be reigned in and skipped every chance to "SAVE" the group, when in reality, she skipped because SHE ALREADY MADE HER DECISION TO LEAVE, way back when.
There's a big difference between someone who (all but unoficially, though now seemingly officially ) exists a situation, vs someone who disappears into the wind and can't be reached and gives the middle finger to everyone blowing up their phone. They painted her as the latter.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
Posts: 79
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Originally posted by shelven
If Camila had decided she wasn't going to stay in the group, her lawyer wouldn't make sure she was included in the trademark. We agree on that. But you've yet to explain to me how this means that the other four girls couldn't have still been trying to convince her to stay past this point. By not disputing my point about how she could have theoretically been added later, I assume you agree that that's a fact. So if 4H knew she could still be added, they could have kept trying to convince her to stay in the group even though in her mind, she wasn't willing to budge. Ironically, all you're proving is that Camila appeared to be completely unwilling to consider changing her mind, which supports the accusations of her not showing up to group therapy and discussion sessions.
Anyways, I think I'm done here. You guys can keep claiming that the girls were lying for the next 50 years if it makes you happy, but ultimately you just look silly by claiming they were lying for saying something that they didn't actually say. So like have fun, I guess.
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1. I don't know anything about the legal side of things so I don't know if it's true "she could've been added any minute" so I have nothing to add there.
2. You're trying to use 5H's statement as an argument when it's been proven several times that they were lying about it. There were no meeting set up by the label trying to get her back in the group because they were already setting her up with producers and songwriters for her album. There's also video and picture proof of her with 5H and LA Reid together in meetings that could have been used to discuss her departure if that was really what they were trying to do.
3. There's no "changing her mind" if a contract is already done, discussed and signed with both parts, which is what's required in order to make changes to it.
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Member Since: 10/10/2009
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The extra proof wasn't necessary at all. It's just that ATRL (etc) chose to fail at comprehension, and take things as they wanted to, to fit their already existing narrative that Camila is a selfish bitch.
5H LITERALLY said in their "revised" statement that they had been trying to convince her to stay for a year and a half, yet everyone chose to toss that aside and ride out the "she sprang it on them via her management last minute" narrative. Why else are you trying to convince someone to stay if they don't plan to leave? **cking Christ, it isn't rocket science.
In the end though, it's all good. Even though they tried to paint Camila as a snake, she benefited heavily from the publicity.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
Posts: 1,029
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Originally posted by talitaldc
You literally pulled that "gave up her rights to pursue solo stuff" out of your ass and are trying to pass it up as facts. NO ONE in their right mind would continue being in a group for months while giving up their biggest source of income from it which is endorsements. They are signed to Epic as solo artists and have always had the right to release music on their own, she didn't have to give anything up to do it.
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The other girls were in the process of signing a new deal hence why they applied for the trademark application. Camila wasn't apart of this because she was stalling.
Camila did not gain/give up anything because she didn't have it in the first place. The fact they were solo artists has nothing to do with this either, their trademark ownership would never have come into full effect until the current deal ended. Signing as part of the trademark would mean signing a new contract.
Honestly y'all are doing the most. This is literally a non-story close the thread.
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by MissedTheTrain
Great, so why are some of you still so concerned with 5H?
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You need to go find those who are obsessed with 4H and ask them that question
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by inspiration4
The extra proof wasn't necessary at all. It's just that ATRL (etc) chose to fail at comprehension, and take things they wanted to, to fit their already existing narrative that Camila is a selfish bitch.
They LITERALLY said in their "revised" statement that they had been trying to convince her to stay for a year and a half, yet everyone chose to toss that aside and ride out the "she sprang it on them via her management last minute" narrative.
In the end though, it's all good. Even though they tried to paint Camila as a snake, she benefited heavily from the publicity.
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Not to mention their attempt at making her look even worse by saying "we tried to talk to her in therapy sessions, LA Reid, Simon, the label" etc, when she had already been DONE with them, no amount of talks was gonna convince her to stay
Let's just hope that without Camila their next lead can out peak Worth It
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Member Since: 11/28/2011
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Well I mean if Camilla refused to go to any of the meetings how else was she gonna be on the paperwork
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
The other girls were in the process of signing a new deal hence why they applied for the trademark application. Camila wasn't apart of this because she was stalling.
Camila did not gain/give up anything because she didn't have it in the first place. The fact they were solo artists has nothing to do with this either, their trademark ownership would never have come into full effect until the current deal ended. Signing as part of the trademark would mean signing a new contract.
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False, 5H the group and 5H the brand are handled by different parts, one by the label and the other one by management/lawyers. If what ATRL user Shelven says it's true, she could have been removed from it as soon as she left. All of you make different points that contradict each other but somehow you're always considered right as a whole
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The Little Camilsters are a mess
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by talitaldc
False, 5H the group and 5H the brand are handled by different parts, one by the label and the other one by management/lawyers. If what ATRL user Shelven says it's true, she could have been removed from it as soon as she left. All of you make different points that contradict each other but somehow you're always considered right as a whole
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What I meant by that is that applying for the trademark would mean signing a deal. It doesn't matter whether it was connected to the label contract or separate because the name 5H is still legally linked to the act 5H and if she signed and decided to back out the girls could later sue, remove her and recoup the money... which is frankly just extra.
So yes my phrase is still factually correct.
Neither side is in the wrong here. All it shows is that the negotiations were ongoing.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
What I meant by that is that applying for the trademark would mean signing a deal. It doesn't matter whether it was connected to the label contract or separate because the name 5H is still legally linked to the act 5H and if she signed and decided to back out the girls could later sue, remove her and recoup the money... which is frankly just extra.
So yes my phrase is still factually correct.
Neither side is in the wrong here. All it shows is that the negotiations were ongoing.
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No they couldn't sue, because again, according to that person, they could've removed/added her with no problem at all. So no, your phrase isn't factually correct
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Yeah...still don't care for her.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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lol, Camila's stans are clearly going to stay blind to what's directly in front of them and believe what they want to believe to work in their favor. The fact alone that they found this ~proof~ (Which isn't actually proof of anything and doesn't change anything) shows that they're still trying to find any way other than the truth.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by talitaldc
No they couldn't sue, because again, according to that person, they could've removed/added her with no problem at all. So no, your phrase isn't factually correct
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If she was on the trademark she'd be earning money.
Do you know how long it would take to be removed? the efforts? the cost?
Trademark ownerships aren't something you can just switch and exchange , the girls aren't exactly on good terms and if something were to go wrong and Camilla didn't want to rescind her ownership then yes they could sue.
It's correct.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Originally posted by Tinashebanks
If she was on the trademark she'd be earning money.
Do you know how long it would take to be removed? the efforts? the cost?
Trademark ownerships aren't something you can just switch and exchange , the girls aren't exactly on good terms and if something were to go wrong and Camilla didn't want to rescind her ownership then yes they could sue.
It's correct.
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Your phrase is correct because in the scenario that Camila decided that she didn't want to give up her ownership, even though she did, given that she's not in it right now and she had no problem leaving the group which was also her source of income, they could sue. Ok lol
Just wondering, does your arm hurt from that reaching or are you used to it by now?
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Member Since: 12/27/2011
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The denial in this threads.
the insecurities are too ****in real.
I cant believe they are such a liars, and the attempt on making her a snake while in fact the other way around.
They should be thankful camila didnt leave early 2016, WFH probably was initially for Camila's solo but camila decided to stay for one more album.
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Member Since: 2/29/2012
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I mean I know she only began this journey to get Harry's d which makes her relatable to the masses in the weirdest way but the lies you have to tell yourselves to justify stanning a horrible person and worse vilifying the others is astounding, honestly.
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