[Rafael]

Originally posted by Mugshot

Please if tabloids sold albums then Lindsay Lohan should be the best selling artist of all time but both her albums flopped. No logic to this post.

And image changes are done all the time. Look at Madonna and BEYONCE.

I didn't say tabloids sells albums...... I meant that Avril, just like Eminem, talk about Britney and other artists knowing that they have attention...
And yes... she DOES talk about Britney all the time...

I agree with you... image changes happens all the time, and it's a good thing!!! but Madonna and Beyoncé didn't change their image to something they once claimed they hate or never would be...... like Avril right now! it is soooo clear to see Britney style on her Girlfriend video...

Originally posted by Mugshot

I never said she wouldn't hit the 5 million mark.

Avril's UMS had one major hit(MHE) and it still sold 8 million. GF is already more popular then MHE so Avril shouldn't worry too much.

I never said they sold badly. But had the single been more successfully in key markets they could have done even better.

Avril had successful singles... GF is a hit... but not in the same level as Beyoncé's singles... especially Irreplaceable... and certainly not as criative...

Originally posted by Mugshot

And UMS didn't sell 8 million because of tabloids. LIke I said, Lindsay Lohan should have GREAT sales then. Eminem and Avril sell well because people like the songs they release.

BTW I agree that her sales will go down but Beyonce isn't a good comparision because Avril is a better selling artist.

Yessssss... people like Eminem and Avril... I like them too! their songs only...
But their controversy help their sales... that's a fact... it's not the main factor, but it helps...

Avril sold more than Beyoncé's solo career... but Beyoncé's single were more successful then hers... and if we count Destiny's Child, Beyoncé sold muuuch more albums...

Well... I like Avril's music.... but I hate her as a person... she thinks she's the best!!!!



and I'm not sad over B'day deluxe.... it's the oposite... I'm very happy that B'day, after 7 months of the original, the deluxe edition sold 125k... 900% increase... I don't think that's bad.... at all!!!!!!

[Mugshot]

Originally posted by Suga

I'm not saying that she cant sing!!! duh who said that she cant sing????

but compared to the previous song she broughts out this album is just not as 1/8 as good

YOU don't think its good. And I remember a lot of people were disappointed with UMS when it came out ,but everyone claims to love it now. If TBDT is a hit people will start to say they like it

[Mugshot]

Originally posted by Rafael

I didn't say tabloids sells albums...... I meant that Avril, just like Eminem, talk about Britney and other artists knowing that they have attention...
And yes... she DOES talk about Britney all the time...

I agree with you... image changes happens all the time, and it's a good thing!!! but Madonna and Beyoncé didn't change their image to something they once claimed they hate or never would be...... like Avril right now! it is soooo clear to see Britney style on her Girlfriend video...

What? Why because she dances? While Avril was promoting UMS Avril said she LOVED 'Toxic' and Beyonce. She's not against dancing. She's against being a huge ****. That's why she doesn't run on stage in her bikini. She never said sexiness is wrong. She thinks EXPLOITIVE sexuality is wrong.

Originally posted by Rafael

Avril had successful singles... GF is a hit... but not in the same level as Beyoncé's singles... especially Irreplaceable... and certainly not as criative...

And Avril STILL sells more then Beyonce.

Originally posted by Rafael

Yessssss... people like Eminem and Avril... I like them too! their songs only...
But their controversy help their sales... that's a fact... it's not the main factor, but it helps...

Funny because Avril doesn't usually bring Britney up anymore and when she does its not negative. All the recent tabloid stories have been ********.

Originally posted by Rafael

Avril sold more than Beyoncé's solo career... but Beyoncé's single were more successful then hers... and if we count Destiny's Child, Beyoncé sold muuuch more albums...

Destiny's child A)came before the downloading era and B) Is not the same product. People who buy DC albums don't always by Beyonce albums. Its not fair to add them to her total. And Avril STILL sells more albums. So radio doesn't play her music as much but a lot more people like it.

Originally posted by Rafael

Well... I like Avril's music.... but I hate her as a person... she thinks she's the best!!!!

No, she doesn't. She's being cocky to goof around and be 'Avrilish'.

Originally posted by Rafael

and I'm not sad over B'day deluxe.... it's the oposite... I'm very happy that B'day, after 7 months of the original, the deluxe edition sold 125k... 900% increase... I don't think that's bad.... at all!!!!!!

I already said I agree with you on this.

I don't hate Beyonce. I just don't think its fair to act as if Beyonce is the 'standard' when Avril sells more then her.

[Mugshot]

BTW GF has beat 'Deja Vu' and 'Ring The Alarm' on the World charts. So did 'Don't Tell me' and MHE. 'Irreplaceable' doesn't change that.

[ismaeel]

God, Avril haters please get out!

This last album is my favorite right now because is fresh! If you do not like go!

There are too many threads, themes, etc where you can waste your time!

[Bep Rocks!!]

Originally posted by Mugshot

YOU don't think its good. And I remember a lot of people were disappointed with UMS when it came out ,but everyone claims to love it now. If TBDT is a hit people will start to say they like it

YOU have to let people make their own opinion about Avril>>damn!!..She ain't perfect u know.. ..I am a huge fan of Avril..UMS was a masterpiece to me and i have even loved her more after that..I heard TBDT and that album is quite flawed..i'm not gonna lie here and say ooh the album is great and perfect and blah blah..UMS was very cohesive and she sounded so passionate on it but on TBDT, some songs are downright awful while some just don't have that emotional connectivity expected from Avril..I like the album though especially Hot, When You Are Gone, Innocence and I Can Do better but One of those Girls and I don't have to Try are a downright mess!!..TBDT will be a hit 4 sure but this isn't a major leap from UMS in terms of quality..

[Mugshot]

Originally posted by Bep Rocks!!

YOU have to let people make their own opinion about Avril>>damn!!..She ain't perfect u know.. ..I am a huge fan of Avril..UMS was a masterpiece to me and i have even loved her more after that..I heard TBDT and that album is quite flawed..i'm not gonna lie here and say ooh the album is great and perfect and blah blah..UMS was very cohesive and she sounded so passionate on it but on TBDT, some songs are downright awful while some just don't have that emotional connectivity expected from Avril..I like the album though especially Hot, When You Are Gone, Innocence and I Can Do better but One of those Girls and I don't have to Try are a downright mess!!..TBDT will be a hit 4 sure but this isn't a major leap from UMS in terms of quality..

You don't have to like it, but don't come into the thread and start saying the album won't sell because you don't like it and 'Beyonce' or whoever are just reaching 5 million now. Thats totally irrational.

And I never slammed them for hating the album.

[Bep Rocks!!]

Originally posted by Mugshot

You don't have to like it, but don't come into the thread and start saying the album won't sell because you don't like it and 'Beyonce' or whoever are just reaching 5 million now. Thats totally irrational.

And I never slammed them for hating the album.

Why are you telling me all this?? i never said the album won't sell!!..i never mentioned Beyonce!!..and i NEVER said the album won't sell because i don't like it..all i said is..People are gonna have their own opinion about this album..Just deal with it okay..and take a chill pill AIGHT..its just an AVRIL LAVIGNE album..

[Mugshot]

Originally posted by Bep Rocks!!

Why are you telling me all this?? i never said the album won't sell!!..i never mentioned Beyonce!!..and i NEVER said the album won't sell because i don't like it..all i said is..People are gonna have their own opinion about this album..Just deal with it okay..and take a chill pill AIGHT..its just an AVRIL LAVIGNE album..

OMG, you were the one that butt into my conversation about SALES AND BEYONCE. That's why I was talking about it.

And i'm not annoyed because they don't like the album, i'm annoyed because of the irrational reasons they gave for the album not competing with other albums. I have not attacked ANYONE on the forum for not like the album and plenty of people have said it.

If you want to jump into other peoples conversations then stay on point.

[ismaeel]

Hey! Guys! Don't fight!

Lets just support Avril, I mean we are fans. That's what fans do, the support artists in the bads and in the goods..

[Bep Rocks!!]

Originally posted by ismaeel

Hey! Guys! Don't fight!

Lets just support Avril, I mean we are fans. That's what fans do, the support artists in the bads and in the goods..

Exactly..i didn't even wanna fight at all..i like avril and i am gonna support her..thanks

[Mugshot]

Ok, ismaeel

[Rafael]

Originally posted by Mugshot

What? Why because she dances? While Avril was promoting UMS Avril said she LOVED 'Toxic' and Beyonce. She's not against dancing. She's against being a huge ****. That's why she doesn't run on stage in her bikini. She never said sexiness is wrong. She thinks EXPLOITIVE sexuality is wrong.
And Avril STILL sells more then Beyonce.

1) She said in a interview that is very hard to dance and all... that she understands now why Britney doesn't sing.... now that's cool... yeah... she loves Toxic... ahan... I don't doubt that! who doesn't?
Avril is a FAKE rocker... with an questionable attitude... but her music is good though...
2)Avril is 1 album ahead of Beyoncé's solo career... This is Avril's third and Beyonce's second... so everything can happen... what if TBDT flop baaad???

Originally posted by Mugshot

Funny because Avril doesn't usually bring Britney up anymore and when she does its not negative. All the recent tabloid stories have been ********.

Wouldn't be so sure...

Originally posted by Mugshot

Destiny's child A)came before the downloading era and B) Is not the same product. People who buy DC albums don't always by Beyonce albums. Its not fair to add them to her total. And Avril STILL sells more albums. So radio doesn't play her music as much but a lot more people like it.

Not all DC fans... but greeeeeat part of it... like me, I prefer Destiny's Child...

Originally posted by Mugshot

I already said I agree with you on this.

I don't hate Beyonce. I just don't think its fair to act as if Beyonce is the 'standard' when Avril sells more then her.

Yeah... and she'll keep on being a standard... Avril may have higher numbers... but she's not in the same category... she has a lot to learn...
PS: I never heard her sayin' anything about Beyoncé...
But I do remember when she got the Viewer's chioce award back in 2002 and she totally ignored Kelly Clarkson... pulling her back... and now look at Kelly Clarkson! I don't think she'll do that today... Kelly is what Avril was supossed to be... except for the muuuuch better voice and personality...

[Mugshot]

I said I was done arguing with you, Rafael.

[Jaimon]

WTF is going on here!! What does Beyonce have to do with AVRIL??
The Best Damn Thing is the BEST DAMN ALBUM!!

IT WON'T FLOP

[MrDeeds]

One questions?

What is ur second single choice?

It's almost sure it's when ur gone, but if i could chose..mm..would be very difficult but surely don't when ur gone, it's a good song, but there are better

[Jaimon]

Runaway!
Old school avril back again

[Mugshot]

'Runaway' is a good choice. WYG should be third.

[ismaeel]

Second Single: HOT OR RUNAWAY
Third Single: When You're Gone

[Angelo]

^ i prefer runnaway hehehe