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Discussion: Non-Hateful Christianity
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
Jesus>>>
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Satan>>>
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by JoshuaBuzz
Receipts?
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You are required to provide receipts that he did exist seeing as I have the lack of belief and you have the burden of proof.
But I'll be happy to throw receipts back at anything you throw at me.
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Member Since: 11/23/2011
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Originally posted by UclaBoi
gorls!! Christianity is more than just reading the bible! Have y'all even heard of the holy spirit? Do you know what it feels like when you are filled with it? Some of y'all need to pray real hard to be filled with the holy ghost and you might change your cynical minds!!
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I pray sis.
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by LouLiGa
The fact of the matter is, most Christians are only Christians because they were indoctrinated since birth to believe in God, Jesus, and the Bible (at least those in the US). The reason so many Christians are offended by the very notion that God does not exist is because it challenges the very ideals they've been taught and told to believe since their birth. The truth about Christianity and other types of organized religions is that they're ********. Religion does nothing but tell you how to live your life, who you should love, who you should accept, and how you should treat others. Why do you need a book to tell you to treat other people with respect? Why do you need a book to tell you what is wrong and what is right? The Bible is filled with bigotry, misogyny, and hypocrisies. Yes, you can be a loving Christian, but the fact that you're a "loving Christian" contradicts the very religion you claim to follow.
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I agree with this in part. The vast majority of Christians are only so culturally, they just "Inherit" it from their parents. There's no personal faith or relationship with Christ, it's just a part of their culture that they cling on to and defend avidly.
Could you point out an example of the things you're claiming - that it's all ********, that there's hypocrisy in the Bible?
If God doesn't exist or doesn't have power to establish absolute for his creations, from where do you draw your morals? How do you know what is right and wrong? Who says what goes or doesn't?
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Originally posted by Gui Blackout
Never said that, they're definitely based on both. But Jesus teachings are what guide our Church.
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Hand-in-hand with the bible........
Which is where the hatred and intolerance comes from.........
Why are we arguing here?
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Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by (Cole)
Please marry me.
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+1. That was beautiful.
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I have one question though. Why is everyone so determined to disprove the existence of "good Christians?" Isn't that a good thing? If they're good people, they're good people, and if they identify as Christian and manage to perform good deeds, why should it matter?
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Member Since: 3/17/2012
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Originally posted by JoshuaBuzz
I agree with this in part. The vast majority of Christians are only so culturally, they just "Inherit" it from their parents. There's no personal faith or relationship with Christ, it's just a part of their culture that they cling on to and defend avidly.
Could you point out an example of the things you're claiming - that it's all ********, that there's hypocrisy in the Bible?
If God doesn't exist or doesn't have power to establish absolute for his creations, from where do you draw your morals? How do you know what is right and wrong? Who says what goes or doesn't?
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http://www.iep.utm.edu/soc-cont/
Did you not learn about this in school???
(Unless you went to a christian school where this isn't taught.)
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The world would be much better if everyone was just spiritual like me
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Originally posted by feuxtography
False. Every bit of evidence brought forth that he existed has been debunked and/or not inclusive enough to warrant definite existence.
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Then it'd be really stupid that you believed in Socrate, Aristotle and all the Greek "scientists".
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Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by JoshuaBuzz
If God doesn't exist or doesn't have power to establish absolute for his creations, from where do you draw your morals? How do you know what is right and wrong? Who says what goes or doesn't?
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Life lessons. Just because I believe that I should treat others how I want to be treated doesn't mean I am Christian. Everybody knows the idea of religion heavily shaped the world we are in today. However, Christianity just doesnt make sense in the world today.
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Originally posted by Amaru
Satan>>>
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Not my fav Lil Kim stan
Anyway, that's wrong. Go listen to Hillsong
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Member Since: 8/17/2010
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Originally posted by JoshuaBuzz
I agree with this in part. The vast majority of Christians are only so culturally, they just "Inherit" it from their parents. There's no personal faith or relationship with Christ, it's just a part of their culture that they cling on to and defend avidly.
Could you point out an example of the things you're claiming - that it's all ********, that there's hypocrisy in the Bible?
If God doesn't exist or doesn't have power to establish absolute for his creations, from where do you draw your morals? How do you know what is right and wrong? Who says what goes or doesn't?
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We've spent the last 5 pages explaining the Bible's hypocrisy ("GOD LOVES ALL!!" ... "KILL THE GAYS... RAPE THE WOMEN, SO THEN YOU GET TO MARRY THEM!!!") as well as the hypocrisy of practicing a "non-hateful Christianity."
This is overkill. It's almost like you're asking the same questions over and over again because you're hoping for a different answer (which won't come).
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Originally posted by D/X
Then it'd be really stupid that you believed in Socrate, Aristotle and all the Greek "scientists".
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Why so? Proof that they exist is more tangible than proof jesus existed.
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Originally posted by JoshuaBuzz
I agree with this in part. The vast majority of Christians are only so culturally, they just "Inherit" it from their parents. There's no personal faith or relationship with Christ, it's just a part of their culture that they cling on to and defend avidly.
Could you point out an example of the things you're claiming - that it's all ********, that there's hypocrisy in the Bible?
If God doesn't exist or doesn't have power to establish absolute for his creations, from where do you draw your morals? How do you know what is right and wrong? Who says what goes or doesn't?
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Are you implying that one must follow the words of a religion in order to establish a path of right and wrong?
- I know that raping people is wrong because I wouldn't want to be raped.
- I know that murdering people is wrong because I wouldn't want to be murdered.
- I know that I should treat others with respect because I want to be treated with respect
Biblical hypocrisies go without saying. On one end, you have people like the WBC telling you that if you're gay, you're going to Hell. On the other end, you have pastors telling you that it's okay to be gay. Both are Christians, yet one is telling me I'm going to Hell and the other is telling me it's okay? Isn't Christianity one religion with a very defined set of rules and morals one should follow? Why are people all over the place if God made it clear what he likes and what he doesn't?
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Member Since: 4/17/2011
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Originally posted by feuxtography
You are required to provide receipts that he did exist seeing as I have the lack of belief and you have the burden of proof.
But I'll be happy to throw receipts back at anything you throw at me.
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Jesus is the most attested figure in Antiquity. You have four complete biographies based on eyewiteness account within a generation of his death, at a time when there was no profit in doing so. You have multiple copies and translations of these biographies across a wide geographical area allowing us to cross-check for the perfect original text. We also have a creed dating to c35AD from the church in Jerusalem establishing:
"...that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. 6 After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. 7 After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. 8"
Here you have a creed dating to 1-2 years after Jesus' crucifixion, formulated by his eyewitnesses who risked death, and clearly affirming the key points of his ministry - at very very least, that he was a real personage with a large following who then died. This creed is formulated by the church in Jerusalem, lead then by James, brother of the said Jesus, so we can be sure of it's accuracy.
Additionally Josephus, Lucius, Tacitus, the Talmud and others attest to the existence of a Jesus of Nazareth, called Christ, who founded a Jewish sect at the time the Bible said he did.
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Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by (Cole)
We've spent the last 5 pages explaining the Bible's hypocrisy ("GOD LOVES ALL!!" ... "KILL THE GAYS... RAPE THE WOMEN, SO THEN YOU GET TO MARRY THEM!!!") as well as the hypocrisy of practicing a "non-hateful Christianity."
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LOL I enjoyed this.
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Member Since: 2/11/2008
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Originally posted by feuxtography
Why so? Proof that they exist is more tangible than proof jesus existed.
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Not a single receipt from Socrates, yet thousands of books talking about Jesus' life, and in fact, our year system ruled by the birth of Christ are going to proof less of His existence.
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Member Since: 3/18/2008
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Originally posted by LouLiGa
The fact of the matter is, most Christians are only Christians because they were indoctrinated since birth to believe in God, Jesus, and the Bible (at least those in the US). The reason so many Christians are offended by the very notion that God does not exist is because it challenges the very ideals they've been taught and told to believe since their birth. The truth about Christianity and other types of organized religions is that they're ********. Religion does nothing but tell you how to live your life, who you should love, who you should accept, and how you should treat others. Why do you need a book to tell you to treat other people with respect? Why do you need a book to tell you what is wrong and what is right? The Bible is filled with bigotry, misogyny, and hypocrisies. Yes, you can be a loving Christian, but the fact that you're a "loving Christian" contradicts the very religion you claim to follow.
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Well, that's your opinion. I don't have a problem with you thinking that, but I find very annoying and pretentious when an atheist makes this claims with a superior view over religious people. Not beliving in God, Jesus or whatever other sacred entity won't make you superior or more intellectual than me. Religion has done nothing but good in my life, Jesus has been nothing but wonderful to me and his teachings only gave me comfort when I most needed. That's why I will stan for it.
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Member Since: 1/17/2012
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Originally posted by LouLiGa
Are you implying that one must follow the words of a religion in order to establish a path of right and wrong?
- I know that raping people is wrong because I wouldn't want to be raped.
- I know that murdering people is wrong because I wouldn't want to be murdered.
- I know that I should treat others with respect because I want to be treated with respect
Biblical hypocrisies go without saying. On one end, you have people like the WBC telling you that if you're gay, you're going to Hell. On the other end, you have pastors telling you that it's okay to be gay. Both are Christians, yet one is telling me I'm going to Hell and the other is telling me it's okay? Isn't Christianity one religion with a very defined set of rules and morals one should follow? Why are people all over the place if God made it clear what he likes and what he doesn't?
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Another flawless post. I'm typing on my iPod Touch and I can't really make my posts too long because of it but you're providing all the necessary details I've forgotten when stating my points.
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