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Decision '08: Barack Obama wins the election
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For it would be either Hillary or Obama I think both of them would make good presidents, to be quite honest
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Originally posted by rapisalive
You need to watch the debate again if you didn't see Hilary get booed. And yeah some of the accusations she made were absolutely false I ain't going to believe it till I see the sources.
To Mr. Deeds about me voting for him because he is black? Not necessarily because if that was the case I would have voted for Al Sharpton years ago when he was running for president. Do I believe America is more ready for a black president than a woman president? Absolutely why because here in the state of Michigan we have a governor named Jennifer Granholm who has absolutely destroyed our state's economy and jobs are hard to find she said the same stuff as Hilary saying she would bring more jobs to the state and better the economy and did the exact opposite. This is why a man is always president because we have more testosterone, we are more agressive and women have a hormone called estrogen and Senator Clinton showed that on Monday when she was losing in New Hampshire because she was breaking down and again that is what we don't need in a president because she showed me right there she does not have enough testosterone, agressiveness to be a leader and Obama does. On the subject of New Hampshire by the way Hilary was lucky because the votes were counted electorally but when they were handcounted they figured out Obama won by landslide. And yes in the debate Obama did stutter a little but he was still clear to me because he had to remember what he was going to say and did and did no wrong there because he said all the right things and is not only a good talker but seems like a good doer as well. Not to mention Obama totally embarassed Hilary on that Wal Mart thing and she always tried to interrupt him when he spoke for only like 10 seconds how rude but it was ok Obama was strong and tough and did not let her interrupt him so he got his message across.
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You are completely uneducated on all your points...
give me a second while I sift through your ********.................
First of all I did answer your question about Obama being black...
"Do I believe America is more ready for a black president than a woman president? Absolutely why because here in the state of Michigan we have a governor named Jennifer Granholm who has absolutely destroyed our state's economy and jobs are hard to find she said the same stuff as Hilary saying she would bring more jobs to the state and better the economy and did the exact opposite. This is why a man is always president because we have more testosterone, we are more agressive and women have a hormone called estrogen"
did you really just post this? So all women are like your governor? I can't even comment anymore on your stupidity. This is just plain stupid. Hillary showed emotion because she has a heart. This is not just a game to her, she truly wants what is best for this country that's why she didn't work at top notch law firms after she graduated law school.
On the subject of New Hampshire by the way Hilary was lucky because the votes were counted electorally but when they were handcounted they figured out Obama won by landslide.
And the supposed miscount was also challenged and proven false. And it was not a "landslide"
and yes in the debate Obama did stutter a little but he was still clear to me because he had to remember what he was going to say and did and did no wrong there because he said all the right things and is not only a good talker but seems like a good doer as well.
So once again he had to remember what he was going to say that would impress people. Lacking confidence this early in the race is not good. What is he going to if he wins the white house?
Not to mention Obama totally embarassed Hilary on that Wal Mart thing
Like Obama's wife who is on the board for Treehouse whose biggest customer is Wal-Mart. And it's Hillary.
Not to mention Obama totally embarassed Hilary on that Wal Mart thing and she always tried to interrupt him when he spoke for only like 10 seconds how rude but it was ok Obama was strong and tough and did not let her interrupt him so he got his message across.
She had to do what I had to do with your post for the past five minutes, acknowledge the ********. He each candidates did their fair share of interrupting, you must have caught just the closing statements
I hope that you are more educated than you are now when you vote in your primary.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by -Derek
You are completely uneducated on all your points...
give me a second while I sift through your ********.................
First of all I did answer your question about Obama being black...
"Do I believe America is more ready for a black president than a woman president? Absolutely why because here in the state of Michigan we have a governor named Jennifer Granholm who has absolutely destroyed our state's economy and jobs are hard to find she said the same stuff as Hilary saying she would bring more jobs to the state and better the economy and did the exact opposite. This is why a man is always president because we have more testosterone, we are more agressive and women have a hormone called estrogen"
did you really just post this? So all women are like your governor? I can't even comment anymore on your stupidity. This is just plain stupid. Hillary showed emotion because she has a heart. This is not just a game to her, she truly wants what is best for this country that's why she didn't work at top notch law firms after she graduated law school.
On the subject of New Hampshire by the way Hilary was lucky because the votes were counted electorally but when they were handcounted they figured out Obama won by landslide.
And the supposed miscount was also challenged and proven false. And it was not a "landslide"
and yes in the debate Obama did stutter a little but he was still clear to me because he had to remember what he was going to say and did and did no wrong there because he said all the right things and is not only a good talker but seems like a good doer as well.
So once again he had to remember what he was going to say that would impress people. Lacking confidence this early in the race is not good. What is he going to if he wins the white house?
Not to mention Obama totally embarassed Hilary on that Wal Mart thing
Like Obama's wife who is on the board for Treehouse whose biggest customer is Wal-Mart. And it's Hillary.
Not to mention Obama totally embarassed Hilary on that Wal Mart thing and she always tried to interrupt him when he spoke for only like 10 seconds how rude but it was ok Obama was strong and tough and did not let her interrupt him so he got his message across.
She had to do what I had to do with your post for the past five minutes, acknowledge the ********. He each candidates did their fair share of interrupting, you must have caught just the closing statements
I hope that you are more educated than you are now when you vote in your primary.
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I might be a bit sexist so yeah if she does become president I hope she can prove me wrong but I just don't think she will. But all that matters though is that they all want to get the troops out of Iraq and end the war not wait and win the war like John McCain. But yeah I'm still going to vote for Obama
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Originally posted by rapisalive
I might be a bit sexist so yeah if she does become president I hope she can prove me wrong but I just don't think she will. But all that matters though is that they all want to get the troops out of Iraq and end the war not wait and win the war like John McCain. But yeah I'm still going to vote for Obama
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But you are extremely uneducated on why you are voting. This is the president of the United States, not prom queen. You also continue to try and debate with me, but you just dig yourself a deeper hole. If you support Obama, that's great, the point is you have really no reason to back your choice.
And I will repeat myself, I hope you are more educated when it's your chance to vote.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Let me throw a few quotes from some of the correspondents and the fans.
Correspondents:
"Anyone who thinks that this race is not personal wasn't watching tonight. This was a debate of moments. It began when Barack Obama said he was helping people on the streets of Chicago who had lost their jobs overseas, while [Hilary clinton] was on the corporate board of Wal-Mart. Not that much later, she said, "Well, listen, I was arguing against Ronald Reagan's policies while you were representing a slumlord in Chicago." It went on from there.... There was always, this kind of simmering hostility, which has come to really typify what has come in this campaign."
"These are two candidates -- Obama and Clinton -- that don't like each other. I think that was obvious before tonight. Anyone who didn't know it knows it now .... I think the crowd was clearly with Obama. His next focus, his current focus, is South Carolina. I think the way he presented himself -- the way he stood up to Sen. Clinton and her husband who was there if not body then in spirit -- the way he stood up I think will help him. I think the people in South Carolina want to see him be willing to stand up. Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama brought a lot of opposition research with them. They brought up some personal things -- pretty incredible. A lot of political people I've talked to said they haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time."
"Barack Obama was sort of in the middle taking fire from both sides. It was clear coming in here that he would be a target. A lot of poeple have said that he is doing very well among African-American voters here in South Carolina. Certainly Sen. Clinton was very agressive with him, but it was also interesting to see how he fired back, particularly on this issue of Ronald Reagan ... African-American voters view Ronald Reagan oftentimes though a completely prism than a lot of white Americans have. He tried to correct the record. He said that he was simply saying that Ronald Reagan was a transformational figure because he was able to get Democrats to come over to the other side. A lot of Democrats -- including some in this room -- took those comments to mean he was admiring Ronald Reagan. Certainly a problem for him here in South Carolina."
One of the comments from just a viewer:
"I dont think Hillary is entitled to run for president. The constitution says that you can only hold office for two terms. Together as one they held the office of the president for two terms. I like Barack and his potential to bring peace and prosperity to the United States. I think Barack offers the best hope for my kids and all kids in the United States and across the world."
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Originally posted by rapisalive
Let me throw a few quotes from some of the correspondents and the fans.
Correspondents:
"Anyone who thinks that this race is not personal wasn't watching tonight. This was a debate of moments. It began when Barack Obama said he was helping people on the streets of Chicago who had lost their jobs overseas, while [Hilary clinton] was on the corporate board of Wal-Mart. Not that much later, she said, "Well, listen, I was arguing against Ronald Reagan's policies while you were representing a slumlord in Chicago." It went on from there.... There was always, this kind of simmering hostility, which has come to really typify what has come in this campaign."
"These are two candidates -- Obama and Clinton -- that don't like each other. I think that was obvious before tonight. Anyone who didn't know it knows it now .... I think the crowd was clearly with Obama. His next focus, his current focus, is South Carolina. I think the way he presented himself -- the way he stood up to Sen. Clinton and her husband who was there if not body then in spirit -- the way he stood up I think will help him. I think the people in South Carolina want to see him be willing to stand up. Sen. Clinton and Sen. Obama brought a lot of opposition research with them. They brought up some personal things -- pretty incredible. A lot of political people I've talked to said they haven't seen a debate like this in a very long time."
"Barack Obama was sort of in the middle taking fire from both sides. It was clear coming in here that he would be a target. A lot of poeple have said that he is doing very well among African-American voters here in South Carolina. Certainly Sen. Clinton was very agressive with him, but it was also interesting to see how he fired back, particularly on this issue of Ronald Reagan ... African-American voters view Ronald Reagan oftentimes though a completely prism than a lot of white Americans have. He tried to correct the record. He said that he was simply saying that Ronald Reagan was a transformational figure because he was able to get Democrats to come over to the other side. A lot of Democrats -- including some in this room -- took those comments to mean he was admiring Ronald Reagan. Certainly a problem for him here in South Carolina."
One of the comments from just a viewer:
"I dont think Hillary is entitled to run for president. The constitution says that you can only hold office for two terms. Together as one they held the office of the president for two terms. I like Barack and his potential to bring peace and prosperity to the United States. I think Barack offers the best hope for my kids and all kids in the United States and across the world."
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And I could find anti-obama articles and post them and that wouldn't get us anywhere
Hillary did not hold the office, Bill did.
And the viewers comments were great, but those aren't yours.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by -Derek
And I could find anti-obama articles and post them and that wouldn't get us anywhere
Hillary did not hold the office, Bill did.
And the viewers comments were great, but those aren't yours.
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Yes I know it was not what I said but what I mean and those articles weren't necessarily anti-Obama they were just stating some of the things I did that Obama always fought back and the Wal-Mart thing I just didn't have the words to describe it so I go to my sources to show a little of bit of what I mean.
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Originally posted by rapisalive
Do I believe America is more ready for a black president than a woman president? Absolutely why because here in the state of Michigan we have a governor named Jennifer Granholm who has absolutely destroyed our state's economy and jobs are hard to find she said the same stuff as Hilary saying she would bring more jobs to the state and better the economy and did the exact opposite. This is why a man is always president because we have more testosterone, we are more agressive and women have a hormone called estrogen and Senator Clinton showed that on Monday when she was losing in New Hampshire because she was breaking down and again that is what we don't need in a president because she showed me right there she does not have enough testosterone, agressiveness to be a leader and Obama does.
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Honestly that is such a misogynistic paragraph and it's sad that someone who supports Obama and had the nerve to just pull the race card (asking if people aren't voting for Obama because he's black) can go on and attack women with unfair generalizations and stereotypes.
And just for the record, NO, the reason I will not vote for Obama is not because he's black, but because he has nowhere near enough experience with politics to be taking the highest office in the nation. I just wrote and erased two paragraphs, because I don't feel like going into a huge diatribe about how unfit he is for the presidency, but no, it has absolutely nothing to do with his race. Which is much less than you can say about Hillary's gender, so I don't understand where you even come off.
Just food for thought....how ridiculous is it that a group that comprises a 51% majority of the nation has never had a member elected president? That group would be women of course. In comparison to the 15% of black people in the US, it's proportionately a larger injustice. Of course I'm not voting for Hillary BECAUSE she's a woman--much less than I can say for a lot of Obama supporters--but if we're going to get into this discussion then I have to point out these facts.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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One more thing I must state Obama helped people get off the streets in Chicago when he was Senator in Illinois so it was just wrong when Hilary called him a "slum lord" because the truth has she gotten people off the streets when she was Senate?
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Originally posted by rapisalive
One more thing I must state Obama helped people get off the streets in Chicago when he was Senator in Illinois so it was just wrong when Hilary called him a "slum lord" because the truth has she gotten people off the streets when she was Senate?
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You are so damn stupid. She said he worked for a slumlord.
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by -Derek
You are so damn stupid. She said he worked for a slumlord.
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And that was what was obviously not true. She is just making some stuff up so she doesn't lose ground in the election and that's the slumlord point is the main point I'm referring too. And boy watch who you are calling stupid because I am a bright young man but we'll get to that in another discussion
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Originally posted by rapisalive
I might be a bit sexist so yeah
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So, that's all.
Why are u still arguing with him?
No offende rapis, ur still a cool guy.
People talk about racism will affect Obama, but sexism will affect Hillary even more.
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Member Since: 7/13/2004
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Originally posted by rapisalive
And that was what was obviously not true. She is just making some stuff up so she doesn't lose ground in the election and that's the slumlord point is the main point I'm referring too. And boy watch who you are calling stupid because I am a bright young man but we'll get to that in another discussion
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Obama did in fact work for a slumlord, that is not a lie. And you have yet to prove your intelligence in any post you have made in this thread.
I'm out for the night
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Member Since: 6/16/2006
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Originally posted by -Derek
Obama did in fact work for a slumlord, that is not a lie. And you have yet to prove your intelligence in any post you have made in this thread.
I'm out for the night
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There ain't no source so I have no idea if it's true or not but knowing the type of person Obama is it has to be false. And I am intelligent if I wanted to I would taken notes on the debate. Now if you're saying I ain't intelligent on politics then ok maybe but that's just an opinion of yours others might think what I've said about Obama would support me. But then again hey I just started to really get into it last week when Obama gave his speech in Nevada.
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Originally posted by rapisalive
Let me ask you this question Hilary supporters do you not like Obama because he is black?
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Originally posted by rapisalive
This is why a man is always president because we have more testosterone, we are more agressive and women have a hormone called estrogen and Senator Clinton showed that on Monday when she was losing in New Hampshire because she was breaking down and again that is what we don't need in a president because she showed me right there she does not have enough testosterone, agressiveness to be a leader and Obama does.
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I love how you can get defensive about a group made up of a certain race and still be okay with being against another group made up of a certain gender. A gender that makes up half of the people you know. There are tons of women who are strong physically and/or mentally. We are definitely ready for a women president and not voting for her just because she is a women would be extremely dumb.
Just to clarify, she did not "break down." If you saw the video, she got a little teary. With your logic about one being teary equaling one breaking down, people break down whenever they have allergies. Also, to see how she did not just sit around and cry, check out her history as a Senator.
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Breaking down = Ellen Degeneras (not looking up how to spell that)
Hillary didn't do any of that. Who can blame some one for crying if they are losing something they've worked so hard for?
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Rapsialive...
I respect you as a person......but i don't like the fact that you are basing your opinion of Hillary on your own senator. Its a very stupid argument to make and it isn't very fair. You are basically saying that all women are the same.
&& FYI i don't think that i want hillary to become president either.... i'm just saying that you can't just make a claim that has nothing to do with her (your senator's actions.) Just as i'm sure you don't like it when people assume that all black people are the same.... and judge based on stereotypes made against black people. You just asked if Hillary supporters aren't picking Obama because he is black? Well you aren't voting for hillary because she is a woman. Thats tereotyping..... So0 its the same thing.
"Just food for thought....how ridiculous is it that a group that comprises a 51% majority of the nation has never had a member elected president? That group would be women of course. In comparison to the 15% of black people in the US, it's proportionately a larger injustice."
Wow. I've never thought about it that way.... Very interesting.
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Okay, first off, I am a huge Obama supporter, but let's make one thing clear: Hillary won last night's debate. Obama looked very uncomfortable on that stage last night, while Hillary looked like someone who's been here before, someone who is confident. Even the most ardent of supporters would have to admit that Hillary is more *ready* to be president than Obama is.
Anyway, this is directed more towards the Obama bashers than anything: Since you guys don't think he'd make a good president, what would you guys think of Obama as a vice president? Would you feel the same way? Would you think he's more qualified for that position?
Discussions, people, that's what I'm here for.
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If they don't have a serious injury or death wish on each other by now, I'd like to see Clinton and Obama together in the White House.
And bouncing aside the front running donkies, did anybody catch Romney's "Who let the dogs out?"
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