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Discussion: Why's no one trying to be iconic anymore?
Member Since: 2/28/2012
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Originally posted by HASHTAGPOW
not everyone can be katy perry
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t.h.i.s.t.b.h.
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Member Since: 4/12/2008
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They try tho, they just fail at it.
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Member Since: 4/12/2008
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
In order to be iconic you have to controversial (Miley's VMA's performance) and that turns the public off.
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The ignorance.
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Member Since: 8/14/2007
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Because you can't "try" to be iconic, you just are.
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Member Since: 1/19/2012
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What is this mess.
I don't think anyone becomes iconic because they tried to be. It is something that spontaneously happens, not thoroughly forced to have.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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!!!!!!
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Britney, Kesha, Beyonce, and Nicki are the main "pop" girls. Until they return, the music industry won't be the same.
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I'm sorry but Kesha Britney and Gaga are DONE, Rihanna and Katy are just as safe as the Selena and Demi and Nicki is a rapper. Beyoncé is the only entertaining one in terms of music and performances.
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Member Since: 1/10/2011
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The majority of mainstream artists aren't compelling or ground breaking.
Most of them don't do enough homework on the icons that came before them and try to take what was done and bring it to the next level.
But at the same time, what makes an icon? You don't have to be #1 all of the time and sell millions to be considered an icon.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by dfantasy
They're just not talented. Like P!nk who can do aerial stunts, Beyonce who can sing circles and dance, Britney in her hey days, Xtina and her voice. None of the current crop can do that.
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Adele, Ariana, Meghan, and Demi are amazing vocalist, Miley is one of the most talented artist of our generation, Tinashe is an amazing dancer etc. you'll sound just like the older generation complaining about the newer generation There are a lot of talented newer artist.
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Member Since: 4/23/2012
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Originally posted by Dingdong123
What is this mess.
I don't think anyone becomes iconic because they tried to be. It is something that spontaneously happens, not thoroughly forced to have.
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Plus it's very hard to do something "iconic" if the public is going to frown upon you for doing so.
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Adele, Ariana, Meghan, and Demi are amazing vocalist, Miley is one of the most talented artist of our generation, Tinashe is an amazing dancer etc. you'll sound just like the older generation complaining about the newer generation There are a lot of talented newer artist.
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Do you mind if I ask you how old you are? If you were born after like 2002, you should familiarize yourself with the generation we speak of because this is kind of what this thread is referring to.
Aside from Adele, who is honestly one of the only genuinely talented people from this current generation, if you think that Miley Cyrus is one of the most talented artists of this generation ( ) why don't you go check out a Beyoncé or P!nk performance and then tell me if you think Miley Cyrus is really all that talented. I think Meghan's a clever writer, but she's just missing something. They're all missing something. They don't have that "star power" or that "aura" around them because it seems like they don't have the hunger for success like the previous crop of popstars did. It was so much more competitive, so much more of an event, because everyone actually cared and wanted to come out on top.
Tinashe is a great dancer, but again, she's lacking something as well. Songs are a HUGE part of leaving a legacy and none of the artists you listed except for Adele TRULY have memorable songs that'll be sang time and again 30 years from now. Demi Lovato is a decent vocalist, but her music is disposable. It's just the point that I'm trying to make, even if the current crop of pop girls might have one specific category they're decent in, their weaknesses are more abundant and overshadow their strengths.
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Member Since: 2/17/2012
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
Do you mind if I ask you how old you are? If you were born after like 2002, you should familiarize yourself with the generation we speak of because this is kind of what this thread is referring to.
Aside from Adele, who is honestly one of the only genuinely talented people from this current generation, if you think that Miley Cyrus is one of the most talented artists of this generation ( ) why don't you go check out a Beyoncé or P!nk performance and then tell me if you think Miley Cyrus is really all that talented. I think Meghan's a clever writer, but she's just missing something. They're all missing something. They don't have that "star power" or that "aura" around them because it seems like they don't have the hunger for success like the previous crop of popstars did. It was so much more competitive, so much more of an event, because everyone actually cared and wanted to come out on top.
Tinashe is a great dancer, but again, she's lacking something as well. Songs are a HUGE part of leaving a legacy and none of the artists you listed except for Adele TRULY have memorable songs that'll be sang time and again 30 years from now. Demi Lovato is a decent vocalist, but her music is disposable. It's just the point that I'm trying to make, even if the current crop of pop girls might have one specific category they're decent in, their weaknesses are more abundant and overshadow their strengths.
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girl it says in his username when he was born....
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Originally posted by madonnas
girl it says in his username when he was born....
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Lol oh I just thought it was a random number. It's not like the first thing I thought of was 97 meant he was born in 1997.
Wait that means he's exactly as old as I am..... I guess I just have the soul of an old fart then
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Ariana, Demi, Selena, and etc. don't sell like these legends/icons because not much people are buying much music anymore if your name isn't Taylor or Adele. Beyonce, Katy, Rihanna, GaGa, etc. Sell like they do because of their fans. They have much more older fans than the new generation of stars and older fans are more likely to pay for music than younger ones. It is a known fact. Younger fans would rather stream an album than pay for it because they can.
Streaming is the new thing and its taking over. Ariana might not be selling 2mil copies of her album in one week, but it surely is getting over 1 billion streams on Spotify.
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
They don't have that "star power" or that "aura" around them because it seems like they don't have the hunger for success like the previous crop of popstars did. It was so much more competitive, so much more of an event, because everyone actually cared and wanted to come out on top.
Tinashe is a great dancer, but again, she's lacking something as well. Songs are a HUGE part of leaving a legacy and none of the artists you listed except for Adele TRULY have memorable songs that'll be sang time and again 30 years from now. Demi Lovato is a decent vocalist, but her music is disposable. It's just the point that I'm trying to make, even if the current crop of pop girls might have one specific category they're decent in, their weaknesses are more abundant and overshadow their strengths.
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What exactly is Miley missing though? I'm not a big fan of Miley (though I can bop to a few of her songs) but I feel like she's one of the few artists today that command attention.
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Member Since: 3/15/2013
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Quote:
Originally posted by HASHTAGPOW
not everyone can be katy perry
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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The top of the food chain (Beyonce, Lady Gaga, Rihanna, Katy, etc.) all try to be iconic.
However it's obvious that the lesser artists aren't trying to reach that level aside from a select few. I agree with the sediments that it's due to the state of the music industry.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
Adele, Ariana, Meghan, and Demi are amazing vocalist, Miley is one of the most talented artist of our generation, Tinashe is an amazing dancer etc. you'll sound just like the older generation complaining about the newer generation There are a lot of talented newer artist.
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This is a joke right? Some of you should really stay out of grown-up convos like this.
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