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Poll: Michael Jackson or Madonna?
View Poll Results: MJ or Madonna?
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Michael
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51.30% |
Madonna
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45.08% |
Neither
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3.11% |
Becky G
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
ARTISTICALLY, Madonna is far superior to Michael Jackson.
It’s undeniable: Jackson spent his entire solo career repeating his own music, the same formula over and over again. His catalog is musically limited. There is nothing “artistic” about repeating the same formula or redoing the same things, especially if the purpose is to achieve the same commercial success as in the days of yore.
On the other hand, Madonna’s musical catalog is endlessly superior, richer and more varied than Michael Jackson’s. Madonna’s body of work is a reflection of her creativity, she truly has an artistic soul. Not only has she changed the direction of her musical work in every step she took, but she also took real artistic risks rarely seen in the business.
It’s rather perplexing how Madonna’s incredible artistic endeavors are overlooked, while Jacskon who repeated his formual is praised and referred to as “amazing”. What’s amazing about singing the same music and performing them the same way for 20 years? Madonna, at the peak of her fame and commercial success (with the Blond Ambition) was transitioning into her Erotica Era! That is what’s called a real artistic and creative risk! Madonna has always created different ways of expressing herself while poking the society at the same time.
People mistake their personal taste with reality. For those who disagree with the fact that Madonna is far superior to Michael Jackson, argue this:
Rock With You, Beat it, Thriller, Billie Jean, Bad, Smooth Criminal, Remember the Time, Black or White, You Rock My World… they are all great, but no one can deny they all sound the same (and these are songs from 1979 to 2001). In comparison, Madonna’s delivered Lucky Star, Into the Groove, Papa Don’t Preach, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Erotica, Secret, Ray of Light, Music - you can’t get a catalog richer than that.
Madonna’s body of work is endlessly superior to Michael Jackson’s. Let their music speak for itself.
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Voted for Michael after reading this, even though 99% of what you said was right.
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Originally posted by ezra.jones
ok post the lucky star or burning up videos.
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You forgot the classic Borderline
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Originally posted by Shapes
lol this is so much word vomit for something that simply isn't true.
Michael Jackson was and still is miles ahead of Madonna. Always has been, always will be.
He's a true legend.
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There is no competition.
In terms of sales, Grammys, impact, elevating the artform (through videos), mass appeal, mystique, iconic dance moves, celebrity (he has his own Disneyland attraction!) MJ wins. Even in the mid '90s an interview would bring in 50m viewers.
Madonna fans can say she had more "longevity" but in 2014 his online views DESTROY hers, as does his recurrent airplay.
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Originally posted by mdnazn
what for?
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we're talking about which artist was a game changer. One of them clearly had massive story-like videos with a point (Thriller etc.) while the other was just doing what everyone else was doing. The lucky star and burning up videos are pre-Thriller so that proves that Madonna isn't as much of a game changer as some of her fans like to think.
Honestly, don't take away from MJs impact on music videos. He started it all really.
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Michael Jackson was a better performer, vocalist, and his music was better.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
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The moonwalk, the fact that there are LITERALLY people making a living off of impersonating him, his performamces, his music. Like girl don't be ignorant
He's done things Madge will never do (just like she's done things he will never do.)
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Originally posted by ezra.jones
we're talking about which artist was a game changer. One of them clearly had massive story-like videos with a point (Thriller etc.) while the other was just doing what everyone else was doing. The lucky star and burning up videos are pre-Thriller so that proves that Madonna isn't as much of a game changer as some of her fans like to think.
Honestly, don't take away from MJs impact on music videos. He started it all really.
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Music videos determine someone's impact?
There where plenty of music videos before Thriller that had story lines, even some of Michael's.
And honestly, don't take away Madonna's impact on music videos.
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Originally posted by cats&fashion
The moonwalk, the fact that there are LITERALLY people making a living off of impersonating him, his performamces, his music. Like girl don't be ignorant
He's done things Madge will never do (just like she's done things he will never do.)
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Gurl, I was asking Thor and not because I'm ignorant but because I wanted to know if he actually knew what he was saying.
People here are not basing their comments on their knowledge. They're basing them on who their fave is.
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Originally posted by Nicole
There is no competition.
In terms of sales, Grammys, impact, elevating the artform (through videos), mass appeal, mystique, celebrity (he has his own Disneyland attraction!) MJ wins. Even in the mid '90s an interview would bring in 50m viewers.
Madonna fans can say she had more "longevity" but in 2014 his online views DESTROY hers, as does his recurrent airplay.
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Pretty much.
Like Madonna has a very successful career and she deserves a lot of credit for what she has done and achieved BUT when you put her next to Michael...she falls short!
Michael's Impact on popular culture is on par with Elvis Presley & Marilyn Monroe....and that says A LOT!
Also his achievements are far more than Madonna's.
Madonna just could not make that kind of impact & her audience wasn't as broad as Michael's.
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Originally posted by ezra.jones
we're talking about which artist was a game changer. One of them clearly had massive story-like videos with a point (Thriller etc.) while the other was just doing what everyone else was doing. The lucky star and burning up videos are pre-Thriller so that proves that Madonna isn't as much of a game changer as some of her fans like to think.
Honestly, don't take away from MJs impact on music videos. He started it all really.
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Are you aware that its Madonnas first album and first videos you are talking about? She did what she could with the small budget she had at that time. This is so unfair.
Madonna is one of the biggest game changers ever.
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
Gurl, I was asking Thor and not because I'm ignorant but because I wanted to know if he actually knew what he was saying.
People here are not basing their comments on their knowledge. They're basing them on who their fave is.
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Well considering the OP is asking which one we FAVOR.
Please. You're embarassing yourself and I mean that in nicest way because you do have good intentions.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
ARTISTICALLY, Madonna is far superior to Michael Jackson.
It’s undeniable: Jackson spent his entire solo career repeating his own music, the same formula over and over again. His catalog is musically limited. There is nothing “artistic” about repeating the same formula or redoing the same things, especially if the purpose is to achieve the same commercial success as in the days of yore.
On the other hand, Madonna’s musical catalog is endlessly superior, richer and more varied than Michael Jackson’s. Madonna’s body of work is a reflection of her creativity, she truly has an artistic soul. Not only has she changed the direction of her musical work in every step she took, but she also took real artistic risks rarely seen in the business.
It’s rather perplexing how Madonna’s incredible artistic endeavors are overlooked, while Jacskon who repeated his formual is praised and referred to as “amazing”. What’s amazing about singing the same music and performing them the same way for 20 years? Madonna, at the peak of her fame and commercial success (with the Blond Ambition) was transitioning into her Erotica Era! That is what’s called a real artistic and creative risk! Madonna has always created different ways of expressing herself while poking the society at the same time.
People mistake their personal taste with reality. For those who disagree with the fact that Madonna is far superior to Michael Jackson, argue this:
Rock With You, Beat it, Thriller, Billie Jean, Bad, Smooth Criminal, Remember the Time, Black or White, You Rock My World… they are all great, but no one can deny they all sound the same (and these are songs from 1979 to 2001). In comparison, Madonna’s delivered Lucky Star, Into the Groove, Papa Don’t Preach, La Isla Bonita, Like a Prayer, Vogue, Erotica, Secret, Ray of Light, Music - you can’t get a catalog richer than that.
Madonna’s body of work is endlessly superior to Michael Jackson’s. Let their music speak for itself.
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Originally posted by mdnazn
Music videos determine someone's impact?
There where plenty of music videos before Thriller that had story lines, even some of Michael's.
And honestly, don't take away Madonna's impact on music videos.
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Absolutely they do! The reason artists even put their songs to VIDEO is because that medium was popularized. And it was popularized mainly by the reigning Pop King of the 1980s, MJ. Madonna did not start that she followed a trend which is very different.
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Originally posted by Thor
Pretty much.
Like Madonna has a very successful career and she deserves a lot of credit for what she has done and achieved BUT when you put her next to Michael...she falls short!
Michael's Impact on popular culture is on par with Elvis Presley & Marilyn Monroe....and that says A LOT!
Also his achievements are far more than Madonna's.
Madonna just could not make that kind of impact & her audience wasn't as broad as Michael's.
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How do you know? were you there?
Madonna still holds attendance records for playing to more people than anyone else (131,000) in one show from the 80's.
So tell us, how do you know this information?
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Originally posted by ezra.jones
Absolutely they do! The reason artists even put their songs to VIDEO is because that medium was popularized. And it was popularized mainly by the reigning Pop King of the 1980s, MJ. Madonna did not start that she followed a trend which is very different.
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the way you worded it made it seem as though music videos are the most contributing factor to someone's impact
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
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Lol, Michael literally broke the color barrier in the Music Industry.
Michael Jackson had to perm his hair, bleach his skin, and break his nose for society even begin to accept him, you have no idea the pressure he went through. The emotional, mental, and physical damage done to this man because he was born black with a wide nose and kinky hair. He IS synonymous with Culture.
How Dare You...
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Originally posted by Dark_Lorde
How do you know? were you there?
Madonna still holds attendance records for playing to more people than anyone else (131,000) in one show from the 80's.
So tell us, how do you know this information?
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why are you so abrasive?
It's obvious that MJ's impact was bigger he has sold more albums than Madonna will in her entire career.
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Althought great, Mike was very monotone with his discography always trying to chase after Thriller's glory days whereas Madonna had progression and development with hers. So Madonna.
SIDENOTE: Madonna was the artist of the decade in the 80s just when Mike was at his all time greatest just to give y'all a better perspective on how huge Madonna was.
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Originally posted by Bríseis
Second, Madonnas budged for the first album was minimal, she did what she could afford. MJs vids for Off The Wall look similarly and he was more established than M at that time.
Nice try tho.
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I love you.
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Originally posted by Shapes
why are you so abrasive?
It's obvious that MJ's impact was bigger he has sold more albums than Madonna will in her entire career.
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This isn't abrasive. Since when is asking someone how they know something abrasive?
I agree Michael has had a very large impact. I prefer Madonna because I think she's more artistic and took real artistic risks.
I was simply asking someone how they knew the information they posted? Hardly abrasive.
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