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Originally posted by ririfan21
I have proof there is a God which is Jesus. The Holy Spirit. I experienced his presence inside of me. |
that was probably jesús
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
Let's use the Sun's interior as an example. We have the core, radiative zone, and convective zone. Now they can easily tell us that this is what the sun consists of, but how do they know? They've never been to the sun or seen the inside, that's an educated guess. |
Shine light though a prism and you will see the spectrum that makes up the light. Then they discovered these gaps or black bands between the colors and didn't understand what they were. Then they realized they were the signatures of the elements imprinted in the light, different elements absorb light in different areas of the spectrum.
Spectroscopy is the science that was created and the lines are called Fraunhofer lines, Fraunhofer also did away with the prism and created the diffraction grating that greatly increased the spectral resolution over a prism.
Because it is based on light, spectroscopy works equally well whether the sample is on your desktop or many light-years distant. We can look at the Emission Spectrum, the Continuous Spectrum and the Absorption Spectrum to study what elements a planet’s atmosphere contains light years away as soon as it passes in front of its star or the light that reflect off a planet such as Jupiter.
They can tell what the sun is made of based on the Emission and Absorption spectra.
Quick fact: Helium was discovered on the sun before it was found on Earth which explains how the element was named from the Greek word for their sun god "Helios".
OT: If God exists or Gods they would just be aliens to us back in the day. Humans would not be able to comprehend what they are seeing. Today we would see them as a more advanced species because our knowledge of the universe and science is vastly superior to ancient humans. So no I don't believe in God but I hold out on the possibility that we maybe have visited in the past.
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
I know the atheists are gonna drag me for being "delusional" but God wants us to have faith in him. He's trying to see who really belongs in Heaven and who's willing to believe in him with no proof of his existence. Now think about it, if there was proof that God was real almost everyone would follow his rules and that defeats the whole purpose of Hell. Satan, who is the father of lies, is feeding us this trash about evolution and the big bang. He wants us to believe there is no God and his plan is starting to work. Everyday I see more and more people becoming atheists because of this and it's sad.
Now you can reply with smilies and "sis go get some air" but I honestly don't care and this is what I believe is going on. |
This logic is extremely unsettling. God provides no proof he exists to then send people who don't believe to hell? That makes absolutely no sense. Even if it were true, which God? There are tons of different religions, how do you know you're following the right one? Are people of different religions all going to hell because they don't believe in your God (who as you said provides no proof he exist). That's extremely unjust and if that God exists I'd be glad to hell.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
This logic is extremely unsettling. God provides no proof he exists to then send people who don't believe to hell? That makes absolutely no sense. Even if it were true, which God? There are tons of different religions, how do you know you're following the right one? Are people of different religions all going to hell because they don't believe in your God (who as you said provides no proof he exist). That's extremely unjust and if that God exists I'd be glad to hell.
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Christianity, Judaism, and Islam follow the same God. I honestly don't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikkhism and the other religions. There might be such a thing as reincarnation, but I doubt it. Why would God send someone who spent their life denying his existence and bashing him to eternal happines? It says in the bible that you must believe that Jesus, his son, died on the cross for your sins.
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam follow the same God. I honestly don't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikkhism and the other religions. There might be such a thing as reincarnation, but I doubt it. Why would God send someone who spent their life denying his existence and bashing him to eternal happines?. It says in the bible that you must believe that Jesus, his son, died on the cross for your sins. |
Again, what sins of mine?
Also if Jesus is God then presumably he is omniscient. If this is true, then when he allowed himself to be sacrificed, didn't he do this with the knowledge that he was immortal? If so, then how exactly was it a sacrifice for him? What did he sacrifice?
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I'm agnostic, so I don't believe that God exists, but I also don't believe that God doesn't exist. My "beliefs" are more like probabilities. I find it probable that God doesn't exist. I find it probable that nothing was ever "revealed" to any human in history. But there's no way to ever know for sure. And I made my peace with that long ago.
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
Christianity, Judaism, and Islam follow the same God. I honestly don't believe in Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikkhism and the other religions. There might be such a thing as reincarnation, but I doubt it. Why would God send someone who spent their life denying his existence and bashing him to eternal happines? It says in the bible that you must believe that Jesus, his son, died on the cross for your sins. |
Why do those religions hold more weight for you? Also, they aren't the same God. They preach different things.
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Originally posted by beautiful player
Again, what sins of mine?
Also if Jesus is God then presumably he is omniscient. If this is true, then when he allowed himself to be sacrificed, didn't he do this with the knowledge that he was immortal? If so, then how exactly was it a sacrifice for him? What did he sacrifice?
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You were born a sinner and Jesus died for your sins up until the age of 13, that's when you're no longer under God's wings and you're held accountable for your sins. As long as you repent for your sins, you're good. Jesus isn't immortal, he had no more powers than us. So he did sacrifice his life.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Why do those religions hold more weight for you? Also, they aren't the same God. They preach different things.
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Just because different RELIGIONS have different beliefs doesn't mean their God is different. That’s like someone saying another person doesn't have the same teacher as them, because that person isn't in the same class as them.
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Originally posted by OnikaSlays
Why would God send someone who spent their life denying his existence and bashing him to eternal happines? It says in the bible that you must believe that Jesus, his son, died on the cross for your sins. |
What if the person doesn't bash him? Why would they be punished for not believing something that has absolutely no evidence? Also, you deny Hinduism but what about people who were born and raised Hindu and it's all they know? If asked, they'd deny your god exists in favor of theirs. Does that mean they're going to hell?
If you're wrong, your God isn't real and another God is real are you going to hell? If your Christian God is real then does that mean the 5 billion people on earth who believe in other/no God's are doomed to hell? Why are people rewarded with heaven for something they believe with no proof that they probably only believe because it was passed down to them via their parents?
Not trying to criticize you, but the whole concept is bizarre to me. I hope I'm not being disrespectful though.
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
Why do those religions hold more weight for you? Also, they aren't the same God. They preach different things.
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They are the same God. People just ascribe different properties to that God based on their understanding/interpretation of revelation. The Abrahamic monotheism is the highest evolved form of religion. It is supposed to clear and correct the misconceptions that other religions had in the past since religions are progressions of the ones that preceded them. That's how the human understanding of truth developed - from animism, to polytheism, and eventually to monotheism. From Abrahamic perspective, the ancients were right that there was a higher power but they were wrong that higher power translated to multiple gods (polytheism), or the universe was that god (pantheism), or inanimate objects were gods (animism). Monotheism is the truth as revealed in the Scripture. The Scripture contains the full revelation of God. This is also the reason why Abrahamic religions contain parallelism with ancient pagan and even Dharmic and Taoic religions.
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Originally posted by ririfan21
I have proof there is a God which is Jesus. The Holy Spirit. I experienced his presence inside of me. |
So if I swear to you I've experienced the presence of the spirit of Lady Gaga inside of me, would that information alone be enough to convince you Lady Gaga is a God?
Maybe you "feeling His presence" is enough proof for YOU to believe in God, but it's not proof to anybody who isn't you, so you can't expect people to believe in what you believe in when all you provide them as evidence is something personal you felt.
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Originally posted by fabbriche
They are the same God. People just ascribe different properties to that God based on their understanding/interpretation of revelation.
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I don't agree with this. Judaism and Islam don't believe in Hell, while it's a big deal in Christianity. They can't be the same God just based off that.
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Remember, anyone can start a topic!!
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Originally posted by BlueTimberwolf
I don't agree with this. Judaism and Islam don't believe in Hell, while it's a big deal in Christianity. They can't be the same God just based off that.
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Muslims, like Christians, do believe in heaven and hell. Jews believe in "The World To Come" which is quite a different concept of afterlife from that of Christianity and Islam. The reason for this is that Judaism, as far as the scriptures are concerned, is an incomplete faith. It stopped at around 400 B.C., long before the doctrine of heaven and hell had been completely developed. This is also the reason why Christianity had to come about. The Jews rejected all other prophets that came after.
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Originally posted by shelven
So if I swear to you I've experienced the presence of the spirit of Lady Gaga inside of me, would that information alone be enough to convince you Lady Gaga is a God?
Maybe you "feeling His presence" is enough proof for YOU to believe in God, but it's not proof to anybody who isn't you, so you can't expect people to believe in what you believe in when all you provide them as evidence is something personal you felt.
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Basically you're telling me that Gaga is the one that put clothes on your back or buy food for you. You worship someone that don't even know you. Gaga don't know if you're alive right now. You probably feel something with her but that dies out. Tbh you probably felt excitement from her but nothing spiritual. You basically telling me Gaga have powers which is false information.
The Holy Spirit which is God stay inside of you. But for you to keep that Spirt that was from God above you have to feed it. Keep the relationship you have with God. Right. I felt his presence. But is there something wrong for me to spread it around and tell others about God is Real. GOD is alive! God is my savior! He wants me to come to him, give him my life because I am his child. Why wouldn't you give your live to someone that paid the price for you to live?
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
What if the person doesn't bash him? Why would they be punished for not believing something that has absolutely no evidence? Also, you deny Hinduism but what about people who were born and raised Hindu and it's all they know? If asked, they'd deny your god exists in favor of theirs. Does that mean they're going to hell?
If you're wrong, your God isn't real and another God is real are you going to hell? If your Christian God is real then does that mean the 5 billion people on earth who believe in other/no God's are doomed to hell? Why are people rewarded with heaven for something they believe with no proof that they probably only believe because it was passed down to them via their parents?
Not trying to criticize you, but the whole concept is bizarre to me. I hope I'm not being disrespectful though.
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It's different signs of things that Jesus is real. He try his best to get his people which is us, the Christians, to spread the word about God.
If you don't want have anything to do with God of course he going to leave you alone since you don't want to know more about him. Some people here today believe in God but don't want to know more about him and live how they want to live which is wrong.
I'm sorry but Yes you will go to hell not only if you don't believe the God but live for him, the only God that died on the cross for you. Not some Buddha thing , or some celebrity, or some statute.
Have anyone invited you to church one day? What was your response? If your response was no, then that is the problem. Have you ever tried to go to a church on your own and be like let me see what Christians say about God or who is this God they're talking about?
People are rewarded because they "want" to know more about him and live a better life. Like I have stated I felt the Holy Spirit which is God in me. And it felt really good. It was unreal but then I knew it was a God instead of "believing". Which is good to believe but it's so much better you "KNOW" it's a God above.
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I believe in God but I feel like I've been straying lately, I've never really had a strong relationship with Him but I'm trying to improve
There is just as much proof there is a God as there is proof that there isn't, none. People should just respect others' beliefs or lack of beliefs, the constant back and forth is useless
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Originally posted by ririfan21
It's different signs of things that Jesus is real. He try his best to get his people which is us, the Christians, to spread the word about God.
If you don't want have anything to do with God of course he going to leave you alone since you don't want to know more about him. Some people here today believe in God but don't want to know more about him and live how they want to live which is wrong.
I'm sorry but Yes you will go to hell if you don't believe the God, the only God that died on the cross for you. Not some Buddha thing , or some celebrity, or some statute.
Have anyone invited you to church one day? What was your response? If your response was no, then that is the problem.
People are rewarded because they "want" to know more about him. Like I have stated I felt the Holy Spirit which is God in me. And it felt really good. It was unreal but then I knew it was a God instead of "believing". Which is good to believe but it's so much better you "KNOW" it's a God above.
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I attended church regularly for over 15 yrs and was raised a Christian, I'm fully aware how the religion works but just don't agree with it. Also I'm pretty sure most people of all religions claim to just KNOW their God is the right one so you feeling something doesn't mean much and is hardly 9bjective proof.
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Originally posted by RudeBoyy
I attended church regularly for over 15 yrs and was raised a Christian, I'm fully aware how the religion works but just don't agree with it. Also I'm pretty sure most people of all religions claim to just KNOW their God is the right one so you feeling something doesn't mean much and is hardly 9bjective proof.
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It not just cause I felt something. lol.
It was the Holy Spirit. After I got filled, it places that I went after that I shouldn't been and I felt guilty because a thought which is the Holy Spirit told me I shouldn't be there. And that is what I believe. For you to stay in church for 15 years and don't get anything from the messages the pastor is giving unto you something isn't matching up. It's either you're playing or just being there to be seen. Have you ever engaged to the service? Like feel the Holy Spirit? Are you one of those Christians that goes on Sunday and act holy but Monday-Saturday you do what you want to do.
If you expect Jesus to move through your life you have to live it not only
On Sunday but throughout the week.
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