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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Yeah, I'm saying I don't think that's true.
All of the albums I listed in that post are examples of massive album sales at that disadvantage. I don't know of any other artists who have done the latter. Eminem, the Beatles, and Madonna come to mind as near antecedents, I suppose.
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21 is not by a new artist?
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Originally posted by iHype.
Top 50 Albums this Decade
01 - 11,111,000 - 21 - Adele
02 - 4,676,000 - 1989 - Taylor Swift
03 - 4,664,000 - RECOVERY - Eminem
04 - 4,486,000 - SPEAK NOW - Taylor Swift
05 - 4,170,000 - RED - Taylor Swift
06 - 4,082,000 - NEED YOU NOW - Lady Antebellum
07 - 4,015,000 - FROZEN - Soundtrack
08 - 3,733,000 - CHRISTMAS - Michael Bublé
09 - 3,347,000 - MY WORLD 2.0 - Justin Bieber
10 - 3,192,000 - SIGH NO MORE - Mumford & Sons
11 - 3,153,000 - MY KINDA PARTY - Jason Aldean
12 - 2,981,000 - TEENAGE DREAM - Katy Perry
13 - 2,727,000 - BABEL - Mumford & Sons
14 - 2,542,000 - THE 20/20 EXPERIENCE - Justin Timberlake
15 - 2,500,000 - NIGHT VISIONS - Imagine Dragons
16 - 2,421,000 - TAILGATES AND TANLINES - Luke Bryan
17 - 2,417,000 - CRASH MY PARTY - Luke Bryan
18 - 2,404,000 - UNORTHODOX JUKEBOX - Bruno Mars
19 - 2,399,000 - DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS - Bruno Mars
20 - 2,346,000 - THA CARTER IV - Lil Wayne
21 - 2,345,000 - BORN THIS WAY - Lady GaGa
22 - 2,304,000 - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP 2 - Eminem
23 - 2,243,000 - BEYONCÉ - Beyoncé
24 - 2,227,000 - THE FAME - Lady GaGa
25 - 2,220,000 - TAKE CARE - Drake
26 - 2,190,000 - THE GIFT - Susan Boyle
27 - 2,185,000 - HERE'S TO THE GOOD TIMES - Florida Georgia Line
28 - 2,051,000 - THE TRUTH ABOUT LOVE - Pink
29 - 2,042,000 - UP ALL NIGHT - One Direction
30 - 2,002,000 - TAKE ME HOME - One Direction
31 - 1,939,000 - PINK FRIDAY - Nicki Minaj
32 - 1,938,000 - THE FOUNDATION - Zac Brown Band
33 - 1,925,000 - YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE - Zac Brown Band
34 - 1,886,000 - OWN THE NIGHT - Lady Antebellum
35 - 1,874,000 - 19 - Adele
36 - 1,825,000 - CHIEF - Eric Church
37 - 1,822,000 - IN THE LONELY HOUR - Sam Smith
38 - 1,806,000 - THANK ME LATER - Drake
39 - 1,790,000 - LOUD - Rihanna
40 - 1,761,000 - NIGHT TRAIN - Jason Aldean
41 - 1,722,000 - BLOWN AWAY - Carrie Underwood
42 - 1,700,000 - NOTHING WAS THE SAME - Drake
43 - 1,653,000 - THE LUMINEERS - Lumineers
44 - 1,650,000 - OVEREXPOSED - Maroon 5
45 - 1,624,000 - PRISM - Katy Perry
46 - 1,622,000 - BELIEVE - Justin Bieber
47 - 1,621,000 - WATCH THE THRONE - Jay-Z & Kanye West
48 - 1,615,000 - MYLO XYLOTO - Coldplay
49 - 1,592,000 - THE BAND PERRY - Band Perry
50 - 1,591,000 - SOME NIGHTS - Fun.
Compare the amount of albums on the list where the artist had a top-seller/popular era prior, to the amount where the artist was new / didn't have a selling album prior.
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Sure, but in this case we're talking about extraordinarily high sellers. I've already admitted that most new acts fizzle out. But I still think it's more common to see new or newly popular artists post one or two extraordinarily massive eras (the second by grace of the first) than for an artist to maintain an extraordinary level of success for four or five consecutive albums.
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Originally posted by ezra
21 is not by a new artist?
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"new or newly popular"
19 moved like 70% of its units post-21.
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Originally posted by iHype.
Top 50 Albums this Decade
01 - 11,111,000 - 21 - Adele
02 - 4,676,000 - 1989 - Taylor Swift
03 - 4,664,000 - RECOVERY - Eminem
04 - 4,486,000 - SPEAK NOW - Taylor Swift
05 - 4,170,000 - RED - Taylor Swift
06 - 4,082,000 - NEED YOU NOW - Lady Antebellum
07 - 4,015,000 - FROZEN - Soundtrack
08 - 3,733,000 - CHRISTMAS - Michael Bublé
09 - 3,347,000 - MY WORLD 2.0 - Justin Bieber
10 - 3,192,000 - SIGH NO MORE - Mumford & Sons
11 - 3,153,000 - MY KINDA PARTY - Jason Aldean
12 - 2,981,000 - TEENAGE DREAM - Katy Perry
13 - 2,727,000 - BABEL - Mumford & Sons
14 - 2,542,000 - THE 20/20 EXPERIENCE - Justin Timberlake
15 - 2,500,000 - NIGHT VISIONS - Imagine Dragons
16 - 2,421,000 - TAILGATES AND TANLINES - Luke Bryan
17 - 2,417,000 - CRASH MY PARTY - Luke Bryan
18 - 2,404,000 - UNORTHODOX JUKEBOX - Bruno Mars
19 - 2,399,000 - DOO-WOPS & HOOLIGANS - Bruno Mars
20 - 2,346,000 - THA CARTER IV - Lil Wayne
21 - 2,345,000 - BORN THIS WAY - Lady GaGa
22 - 2,304,000 - THE MARSHALL MATHERS LP 2 - Eminem
23 - 2,243,000 - BEYONCÉ - Beyoncé
24 - 2,227,000 - THE FAME - Lady GaGa
25 - 2,220,000 - TAKE CARE - Drake
26 - 2,190,000 - THE GIFT - Susan Boyle
27 - 2,185,000 - HERE'S TO THE GOOD TIMES - Florida Georgia Line
28 - 2,051,000 - THE TRUTH ABOUT LOVE - Pink
29 - 2,042,000 - UP ALL NIGHT - One Direction
30 - 2,002,000 - TAKE ME HOME - One Direction
31 - 1,939,000 - PINK FRIDAY - Nicki Minaj
32 - 1,938,000 - THE FOUNDATION - Zac Brown Band
33 - 1,925,000 - YOU GET WHAT YOU GIVE - Zac Brown Band
34 - 1,886,000 - OWN THE NIGHT - Lady Antebellum
35 - 1,874,000 - 19 - Adele
36 - 1,825,000 - CHIEF - Eric Church
37 - 1,822,000 - IN THE LONELY HOUR - Sam Smith
38 - 1,806,000 - THANK ME LATER - Drake
39 - 1,790,000 - LOUD - Rihanna
40 - 1,761,000 - NIGHT TRAIN - Jason Aldean
41 - 1,722,000 - BLOWN AWAY - Carrie Underwood
42 - 1,700,000 - NOTHING WAS THE SAME - Drake
43 - 1,653,000 - THE LUMINEERS - Lumineers
44 - 1,650,000 - OVEREXPOSED - Maroon 5
45 - 1,624,000 - PRISM - Katy Perry
46 - 1,622,000 - BELIEVE - Justin Bieber
47 - 1,621,000 - WATCH THE THRONE - Jay-Z & Kanye West
48 - 1,615,000 - MYLO XYLOTO - Coldplay
49 - 1,592,000 - THE BAND PERRY - Band Perry
50 - 1,591,000 - SOME NIGHTS - Fun.
Compare the amount of albums on the list where the artist had a top-seller/popular era prior, to the amount where the artist was new / didn't have a selling album prior.
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Wow TD is close to 3xplat
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YouTube views are very lob-sided at this point. This Is How We Do has more views than Style. J. Lo's Live It Up has 6x more views than Shut Up and Dance.
Spotify to me is a better indicator at this point. Especially for determining which older songs are more relevant.
Usher's Yeah! for example was uploaded to VEVO last month, so it only has 1M views. However the Spotify play count for it is around 50 million, indicating it's a huge classic ofcourse.
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In Italy Madonna had a bigger first week than Eros Ramazzotti
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Originally posted by Kworb
In Italy Madonna had a bigger first week than Eros Ramazzotti
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Gays always winning
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Originally posted by Kworb
In Italy Madonna had a bigger first week than Eros Ramazzotti
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Are we supposed to know who either of those 2 are?
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Originally posted by RobynYoBank
Sure, but in this case we're talking about extraordinarily high sellers. I've already admitted that most new acts fizzle out. But I still think it's more common to see new or newly popular artists post one or two extraordinarily massive eras (the second by grace of the first) than for an artist to maintain an extraordinary level of success for four or five consecutive albums.
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Those are high sellers since they're the top sellers this decade n? Even in the T5; 4 albums were following previous huge successes.
Nobody is saying it's easy to maintain great success, but there's certainly an advantage in album sales when it comes to Taylor Swift and Beyonce versus Meghan Trainor and Tinashe. Established pop acts that are among the biggest musicians in the world, against artists that are currently only as relevant as their hit on the radio.
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Originally posted by iHype.
YouTube views are very lob-sided at this point. This Is How We Do has more views than Style. J. Lo's Live It Up has 6x more views than Shut Up and Dance.
Spotify to me is a better indicator at this point. Especially for determining which older songs are more relevant.
Usher's Yeah! for example was uploaded to VEVO last month, so it only has 1M views. However the Spotify play count for it is around 50 million, indicating it's a huge classic ofcourse.
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I agree. People tune in on YT to watch all sorts of things. Rebecca Blacks Friday is a great of example of why YT is not representing songs that are popular or liked.
Men tune in to Katy/Shrek videos to watch boobs bounce around - not because the song is good.
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Originally posted by Kworb
Views are the single best way we have to measure a song's global popularity.
iTunes is irrelevant almost everywhere
Spotify is too young and relatively much bigger in a few countries than in most of the others
IFPI adds ringtones, gives only the top 10, no transparency or methodology
UWC is cute but no
YouTube is all we have. We have to cherish and use this data.
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that makes UWC sound better than IFPI
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that makes UWC sound better than IFPI
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True, for singles it is.
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They need to certify LOUD 2x platinum already. If Floppe Fatale can snatch a plat certification then ch...
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Taylor is like the new Mariah in terms of commercial success, except her singles are more global
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Originally posted by iHype.
Those are high sellers since they're the top sellers this decade n? Even in the T5; 4 albums were following previous huge successes.
Nobody is saying it's easy to maintain great success, but there's certainly an advantage in album sales when it comes to Taylor Swift and Beyonce versus Meghan Trainor and Tinashe. Established pop acts that are among the biggest musicians in the world, against artists that are currently only as relevant as their hit on the radio.
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I think you're trying to apply the point too generally. All I'm saying is that we more frequently see extraordinarily high album sales from newly popular artists than extraordinarily high sales sustained by established artists. There's no doubt that established artists generally sell more albums.
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Originally posted by ezra
YouTube views can be cheaply bought. By 100s of thousands. And record labels have YT by the throat with copyright law and distribution so it's easy to fake numbers to make labels happy. Freebies don't matter.
Cash/credit only
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Records/Sales can be brought as well, the best way to determine how popular a song/album really is Spotify.
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Originally posted by Shaliydah88
They need to certify LOUD 2x platinum already. If Floppe Fatale can snatch a plat certification then ch...
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Only certain labels decide to certify/update their popular artists often.
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Lose yourself is so massive
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Originally posted by BobBertran1992
Gays always winning
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Rebel Heart 50k
Artpop 35k
Queen of Italy
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