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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by swissman
When you debut in the midst of, or before the hugest sales climate, you can do that. Is that hard to understand?
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albums which have sold at least 15 million copies since 2000 (Beyoncé's supposed era of domination):
30,000,000 - 2011 - 21 - Adele
24,000,000 - 2002 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
22,000,000 - 2000 - Oops - Britney
20,000,000 - 2015 - 25 - Adele
17,000,000 - 2006 - Back in Black - Amy Winehouse
17,000,000 - 2002 - Let Go - Avril Lavigne
16,000,000 - 2008 - The Fame - Lady Gaga
15,000,000 - 2001 - Missundaztood - P!nk
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then there's a bunch of 10-15m sellers of which the legendary 5 have at least 1 (except Janet).
13,000,000 - 2003 - Life For Rent - Dido
12,000,000 - 2002 - Stripped - Christina Aguilera
12,000,000 - 2004 - Breakaway - Kelly Clarkson
12,000,000 - 2001 - Songs in A Minor - Alicia Keys
12,000,000 - 2003 - Dangerously in Love - Beyoncé
12,000,000 - 2002 - A New Day has Come - Céline
11,500,000 - 2000 - Music - Madonna
11,000,000 - 2001 - Laundry Service - Shakira
10,000,000 - 2005 - Confessions - Madonna
10,000,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi - Mariah Carey
10,000,000 - 2001 - Britney - Britney Spears
Beyoncé made it past the 10m mark ONCE (1 time). She's never flirted with the 15m mark. Her debut is her biggest album. Her singles sales exceed her albums sales.
Why can Adele and Taylor sell past 5 million (almost past 6 million) in the US alone while Beyoncé can't despite being in the same sales climate? Why doesn't she have numerous groundbreaking singles?
She's simply just always there... like Alsion Krauss. Beyoncé doesn't belong to the top 1%.
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Originally posted by stevyy
albums which have sold at least 15 million copies since 2000 (Beyoncé's supposed era of domination):
30,000,000 - 2011 - 21 - Adele
24,000,000 - 2002 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
22,000,000 - 2000 - Oops - Britney
20,000,000 - 2015 - 25 - Adele
17,000,000 - 2006 - Back in Black - Amy Winehouse
17,000,000 - 2002 - Let Go - Avril Lavigne
16,000,000 - 2008 - The Fame - Lady Gaga
15,000,000 - 2001 - Missundaztood - P!nk
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then there's a bunch of 10-15m sellers of which the legendary 5 have at least 1 (except Janet).
13,000,000 - 2003 - Life For Rent - Dido
12,000,000 - 2002 - Stripped - Christina Aguilera
12,000,000 - 2004 - Breakaway - Kelly Clarkson
12,000,000 - 2001 - Songs in A Minor - Alicia Keys
12,000,000 - 2003 - Dangerously in Love - Beyoncé
12,000,000 - 2002 - A New Day has Come - Céline
11,500,000 - 2000 - Music - Madonna
11,000,000 - 2001 - Laundry Service - Shakira
10,000,000 - 2005 - Confessions - Madonna
10,000,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi - Mariah Carey
10,000,000 - 2001 - Britney - Britney Spears
Beyoncé made it past the 10m mark ONCE (1 time). She's never flirted with the 15m mark. Her debut is her biggest album. Her singles sales exceed her albums sales.
Why can Adele and Taylor sell past 5 million (almost past 6 million) in the US alone while Beyoncé can't despite being in the same sales climate? Why doesn't she have numerous groundbreaking singles?
She's simply just always there... like Alsion Krauss. Beyoncé doesn't belong to the top 1%.
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Beyonce is a black woman who makes r&b music. Everyone you listed besides her is white and makes pop. There's a reason Whitney and Janet aren't on that list silly.
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Originally posted by Iman
Beyoncé, with her great vocal and performing ability, 200 mil+ records sold, 20 Grammys (and being the most awarded artist alive), praises and respect from her peers, the younger generation and the older generation, think pieces dedicated to her and her albums and careers from everyone including historical feminists, Harvard studies, college courses across the globe dedicated to her and her career, iconic movies made with her name, Superbowl performances, slayed the pre-digital era, digital era and the streaming era, made the world stop on Dec 13, 2013 and currently on one of the biggest, most successful female tours of all time (with a great chance to be the highest grossing female tour of all time) doesn't need validation from forum homosexuals. Her tours having attendance from more A list celebs from every spectrum of entertainment than award shows speaks for itself.
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The real kii is: Most likely they attended the FWT as well because everyone wants to see best performer of our generation
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Originally posted by stevyy
albums which have sold at least 15 million copies since 2000 (Beyoncé's supposed era of domination):
30,000,000 - 2011 - 21 - Adele
24,000,000 - 2002 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
22,000,000 - 2000 - Oops - Britney
20,000,000 - 2015 - 25 - Adele
17,000,000 - 2006 - Back in Black - Amy Winehouse
17,000,000 - 2002 - Let Go - Avril Lavigne
16,000,000 - 2008 - The Fame - Lady Gaga
15,000,000 - 2001 - Missundaztood - P!nk
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then there's a bunch of 10-15m sellers of which the legendary 5 have at least 1 (except Janet).
13,000,000 - 2003 - Life For Rent - Dido
12,000,000 - 2002 - Stripped - Christina Aguilera
12,000,000 - 2004 - Breakaway - Kelly Clarkson
12,000,000 - 2001 - Songs in A Minor - Alicia Keys
12,000,000 - 2003 - Dangerously in Love - Beyoncé
12,000,000 - 2002 - A New Day has Come - Céline
11,500,000 - 2000 - Music - Madonna
11,000,000 - 2001 - Laundry Service - Shakira
10,000,000 - 2005 - Confessions - Madonna
10,000,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi - Mariah Carey
10,000,000 - 2001 - Britney - Britney Spears
Beyoncé made it past the 10m mark ONCE (1 time). She's never flirted with the 15m mark. Her debut is her biggest album. Her singles sales exceed her albums sales.
Why can Adele and Taylor sell past 5 million (almost past 6 million) in the US alone while Beyoncé can't despite being in the same sales climate? Why doesn't she have numerous groundbreaking singles?
She's simply just always there... like Alsion Krauss. Beyoncé doesn't belong to the top 1%.
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Beyoncé was crowned the female artist of the 2000s. Shows her complete dominance not just album sales. And I'm laughing while looking at this list bc most of the artist alive on this list can't release albums or tour or have hits anymore. Like, Beyoncé can release an album anytime she wants and sell over 500k first week. The digital and streaming era drowned them. Slow and steady really does win the race
And while we're comparing Adele and Taylor to Beyoncé, let's also ask why bey is outselling Madonna, Mariah and Janet today.
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Originally posted by stevyy
albums which have sold at least 15 million copies since 2000 (Beyoncé's supposed era of domination):
30,000,000 - 2011 - 21 - Adele
24,000,000 - 2002 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
22,000,000 - 2000 - Oops - Britney
20,000,000 - 2015 - 25 - Adele
17,000,000 - 2006 - Back in Black - Amy Winehouse
17,000,000 - 2002 - Let Go - Avril Lavigne
16,000,000 - 2008 - The Fame - Lady Gaga
15,000,000 - 2001 - Missundaztood - P!nk
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then there's a bunch of 10-15m sellers of which the legendary 5 have at least 1 (except Janet).
13,000,000 - 2003 - Life For Rent - Dido
12,000,000 - 2002 - Stripped - Christina Aguilera
12,000,000 - 2004 - Breakaway - Kelly Clarkson
12,000,000 - 2001 - Songs in A Minor - Alicia Keys
12,000,000 - 2003 - Dangerously in Love - Beyoncé
12,000,000 - 2002 - A New Day has Come - Céline
11,500,000 - 2000 - Music - Madonna
11,000,000 - 2001 - Laundry Service - Shakira
10,000,000 - 2005 - Confessions - Madonna
10,000,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi - Mariah Carey
10,000,000 - 2001 - Britney - Britney Spears
Beyoncé made it past the 10m mark ONCE (1 time). She's never flirted with the 15m mark. Her debut is her biggest album. Her singles sales exceed her albums sales.
Why can Adele and Taylor sell past 5 million (almost past 6 million) in the US alone while Beyoncé can't despite being in the same sales climate? Why doesn't she have numerous groundbreaking singles?
She's simply just always there... like Alsion Krauss. Beyoncé doesn't belong to the top 1%.
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And Beyonce's debut sold 8 million copies. It is impossible it reached 12m by now, 9 million max.
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Beyoncé is not a legend.
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Yes she is.
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Forum homosexuals : Beyonce didn't sell 20 mil albums in the early 2000s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Beyoncé : laughs on her record breaking stadium tour while having the best selling and most critically acclaimed album released in 2016.
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Originally posted by Iman
Beyoncé was crowned the female artist of the 2000s. Shows her complete dominance not just album sales. And I'm laughing while looking at this list bc most of the artist alive on this list can't release albums or tour or have hits anymore. Like, Beyoncé can release an album anytime she wants and sell over 500k first week. The digital and streaming era drowned them. Slow and steady really does win the race
And while we're comparing Adele and Taylor to Beyoncé, let's also ask why bey is outselling Madonna, Mariah and Janet today.
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She doesn't need you or the media to validate her. Your faves from every generation do that just fine
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Originally posted by stevyy
Why can Adele and Taylor sell past 5 million (almost past 6 million) in the US alone while Beyoncé can't despite being in the same sales climate? Why doesn't she have numerous groundbreaking singles?
She's simply just always there... like Alsion Krauss. Beyoncé doesn't belong to the top 1%.
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Are you really asking why safe white girls can sell 5 million + in America?
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Originally posted by stevyy
albums which have sold at least 15 million copies since 2000 (Beyoncé's supposed era of domination):
30,000,000 - 2011 - 21 - Adele
24,000,000 - 2002 - Come Away With Me - Norah Jones
22,000,000 - 2000 - Oops - Britney
20,000,000 - 2015 - 25 - Adele
17,000,000 - 2006 - Back in Black - Amy Winehouse
17,000,000 - 2002 - Let Go - Avril Lavigne
16,000,000 - 2008 - The Fame - Lady Gaga
15,000,000 - 2001 - Missundaztood - P!nk
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then there's a bunch of 10-15m sellers of which the legendary 5 have at least 1 (except Janet).
13,000,000 - 2003 - Life For Rent - Dido
12,000,000 - 2002 - Stripped - Christina Aguilera
12,000,000 - 2004 - Breakaway - Kelly Clarkson
12,000,000 - 2001 - Songs in A Minor - Alicia Keys
12,000,000 - 2003 - Dangerously in Love - Beyoncé
12,000,000 - 2002 - A New Day has Come - Céline
11,500,000 - 2000 - Music - Madonna
11,000,000 - 2001 - Laundry Service - Shakira
10,000,000 - 2005 - Confessions - Madonna
10,000,000 - 2005 - The Emancipation of Mimi - Mariah Carey
10,000,000 - 2001 - Britney - Britney Spears
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I've bolded the R&B albums.
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Spending most of your day online talking about an individual you hate really isn't healthy
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Originally posted by Evolution
I can't believe the hive is actually arguing this
She has sold less albums than Avril Lavigne and Christina Aguilera but she is supposed to be this legendary artist with an insane amount of power.
I wonder why her 'power' doesn't translate into album sales or single sales. I will never understand what is Beyonce's so called 'power'.
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Originally posted by MrDeeds
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being able to have a sold out stadium tour 17 year into her career.
Something her contemporaries haven't and never will be able to. Being commercially consistent for almost two decades. Being a cultural force, especially black culture. The most emulated, copied culture in the world.
Album sales aren't everything girlies.
I can understand why it's important for those who don't have anything else to fall back on.
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Originally posted by Iman
And while we're comparing Adele and Taylor to Beyoncé, let's also ask why bey is outselling Madonna, Mariah and Janet today.
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Originally posted by swissman
So Beyoncé didn't sell 20 million when album sales were good, but she's selling way more now than those who used to be able to sell 20 million, by higher margins. So... what's your point? She may not have entered as big as them but she's remained and grown in status.
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You cannot compare Beyoncé to women that are in their 40s and 50s. Janet, Celine, Mariah, Whitney, and Madonna are in these age ranges and have to deal with an ageist society. Once Beyoncé starts to hit her 40s, her sales are going to slowly diminish as well.
If it happened to people like these 5 women and even the great MJ, it's going to happen to Beyoncé as well.
I don't understand how Beyoncé fans can say record sales were more alive in the 80s and 90s and then turn around and say Beyoncé is outselling these 5 females. OF COURSE she is going to outsell them because these 5 ladies are not in their prime any longer.
That's also asking why hasn't Beyoncé been able to outsell her debut album? Why has 4, ST, and even Lemonade sold considerably less than her previous efforts? You cannot gloat about Beyoncé outselling these women who are not in their prime.
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For me she is at the same level or even above some of them, because she has an amazing career, not only as a single artist but as a group wich is really hard to do, she sings r&B and urban music and made this music popular around the world, when she started on Destiny's Child she introduce a new way to sing R&B, she has the talent and most importat her sucess always increase, maybe is truth that she doesn't sell that many records like others but most of the others are artist that were really popular at one point and then they didn't sell that well while she has been there at the top always.
First Artist with 6 albums consecutive at numer 1
First Female Artist to have albums at number as solo artist and as a part of a group
Most Awarded artist
Her tour is grossing more money that anybody right now
And beside all because everybody know who Beyonce is
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
What I'm telling you is that Janet is not a legend. And never will be.
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Yes she is
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Originally posted by castrini23
For me she is at the same level or even above some of them, because she has an amazing career, not only as a single artist but as a group wich is really hard to do, she sings r&B and urban music and made this music popular around the world, when she started on Destiny's Child she introduce a new way to sing R&B, she has the talent and most importat her sucess always increase, maybe is truth that she doesn't sell that many records like others but most of the others are artist that were really popular at one point and then they didn't sell that well while she has been there at the top always.
First Artist with 6 albums consecutive at numer 1
First Female Artist to have albums at number as solo artist and as a part of a group
Most Awarded artist
Her tour is grossing more money that anybody right now
And beside all because everybody know who Beyonce is
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Sure jan....
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I am screaming @ this thread. Going down in ATRL history.
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Originally posted by Pecinta Mariah
Yes she is
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Nope. No matter how many times you repeat it.
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