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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
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Originally posted by Auburn
What's even more frightening is the fact that the Hive is almost CELEBRATING the sexism and racism that all but ended Janet's career, which is something I thought their fave fought against
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Crying about racism and sexism while tearing down a black woman's achievements. You're a joke
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Iman
Crying about racism and sexism while tearing down a black woman's achievements. You're a joke
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Member Since: 11/24/2006
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Originally posted by Evolution
I can't believe the hive is actually arguing this
She has sold less albums than Avril Lavigne and Christina Aguilera but she is supposed to be this legendary artist with an insane amount of power.
I wonder why her 'power' doesn't translate into album sales or single sales. I will never understand what is Beyonce's so called 'power'.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Beyonce is a thief.
Beyonce isn't original.
Beyonce owes her entire career to these women and her daddy.
Beyonce is mediocrity at it's finest and no amount of buying songwriting credits, stealing dance routines, daddy buying her awards or having a "perfect" PR image will change that.
Have a nice day.
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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Originally posted by Iman
Crying about racism and sexism while tearing down a black woman's achievements. You're a joke
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I'm not tearing down anything but falsified aggrandizement. I'm strictly pointing out that her career simply hasn't reached the levels of the others.
I'm not denying she is successful like the way Janet's achievements are being blatantly erased. But like usual some Hive member will equate disliking Beyonce to racism or sexism.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
what I know is that janet didn't do it first ✓
and that janet isn't credited for making it a THING ✓
she'll always have being naked by the end of the song at superbowl.. she pioneered that
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What sound did Beyoncé create? And I want you to say the Go-go sound so I can clock you.
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Originally posted by dabunique
LOL
i'm laughin about da whole New Jack Swing sound
Teddy Riley is da king and innovator of da sound
Janet didn't create it, she jus excelled in it but honestly it was more TL & JJH sound, she honestly didn't have input other than song writing so lets not give her dat accolade, plus TL was using da same sounds for his wife, Karyn White, at da same time ... u gon say Karyn White has impact? lol
but goin back to da topic as to if Beyonce higher in legendary status then Janet, no she's not
jus da receipts alone disqualify Beyonce
when u run 18 consecutive top 10 hits and only Madonna is doin stuff liek dat, then u r untouchable
to be fair u need to compare peaks and honestly Beyonce can't touch Madonna, Mariah, Janet, & Whitney in dat order, Celine well dats questionable right there but da other ladies r da pop standard, da mount rushmore of pop ladies, and liek i said earlier, da way Rihanna is goin, she will over pass Beyonce and become this generations' legend, queen of pop
and what sucks is dat Beyonce has all thsi great critical praise for Lemonade and she can't even cross over with any song, plus she can't even hit number 1 on da R&B charts with her first two releases and Rihanna, who struggled hard to get any R&B airplay cuz she was seen as a pop girl at da beginning, is ruling both pop and R&B airwaves
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Teddy Riley credits the Control album for inspiring the sound. Janet did not create New Jack Swing. Her fusion of pop, funk, R&B and Rap sensibility, an innovative mix at its time, inspired the sound. And you have your facts completely wrong. Karyn White came out 2 years after Janet, her first album was produced by LA and Babyface, not Jimmy and Terry and Jimmy and Terry didn't even work with Karyn until 1991, six years after they had started working Janet.
Karyn White was marketed as another Janet Jackson, so she didn't do anything before Janet.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
aretha has more impact, respect and influence than all of them put together and she doesn't have any of those records they have
the HOF that is REFUSING to induct yall faves is already calling bey a rock legend and honoring her with exhibitions
If bey was seeking chart validation.. she would've put her album on spotify.
bey's CONSISTENT slayage for 19 years >>> these high peaks EARLY on into a career
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What house did Aretha build? And where is Beyoncé HOF induction? Sorry an exhibit doesn't equal induction.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Lol, and stil Janet is mostly remembered for her Nipple Gate while Beyonce is used as a synonymy for perfection. Ironic, isn't it?
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What's that?
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Originally posted by aaronsmithjune1
Who cares? Janet's career is 95% forgotten. She gets no airplay, nobody buys her tickets or albums anymore. She hasn't even reached 200M on vevo. Nobody cares about her. don't be mad because bey has already became the legend Janet should've became 12 years ago
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Beyoncé is not a legend.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Dead at you still pressed.
And how does bey create a DC go go sound when it's a sound from the 70s? it's called a DC go go sound.
We leave the claiming things that belong to other people to you Janet fans.
Refusing to give Full Force and Teddy Riley their just due.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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N dead at asking where is the house that Aretha built. It's inducted into the hall of fame. Your fave has been outside with a pick me please sign for 9 years
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Too bad 2016 was the year of comparison:
Anti vs Lemonade
Anti Tour vs FWT tour
and trust me, people have chosen the clear winner in both aspects. Rih can jump on Calvin's and Drake's d all the time, yet she will never match Bey's importance. But thanks for the effort
Rih is like the modern day Donna Summer -> releasing hits after hits, but failing to have major impact like some of her peers. She'll definitely be remembered tho for obvious reasons.
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Donna Summer has no impact? Wow. Donna was not only the Queen of an entire genre, but she revolutionized dance music, via EDM, a sound first heard with "I Feel Love." You have to be completely musically ignorant to suggest that Donna Summer lacked impact. But then again, this is ATRL after all.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
lol @ the modification in claims after I pulled out the receipts
and lol @ had a hand in creating.... BUT Full Force did the sound FIRST
and as far as "Nasty" goes. Producer(s) Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis
where is her production credit?
Gritando y llorando ...yall want her to have SOMETHING so bad.
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Full Force were not the first to use New Jack Swing.
Janet does have production and songwriting credit on "Nasty" as well as several other songs. Stop embarrassing yourself. Actually no, keep making a fool of yourself. It's entertainment for me.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Full Force were not the first to use New Jack Swing.
Janet does have production and songwriting credit on "Nasty" as well as several other songs. Stop embarrassing yourself. Actually no, keep making a fool of yourself. It's entertainment for me.
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Yes they were in 1985. Songs are posted in here.
Janet does not have any producer credit on nasty. Quit your lies
It's getting sad now.
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Dead at you still pressed.
And how does bey create a DC go go sound when it's a sound from the 70s? it's called a DC go go sound.
We leave the claiming things that belong to other people to you Janet fans.
Refusing to give Full Force and Teddy Riley their just due.
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I know what the Go-go sound is and where it originates. My question wasn't what the go-go sound was. My question was what sound did Beyoncé create? I'm not giving Full Force anything they don't deserve. And yes, Teddy Riley did spearhead the sound, but Control influenced the sound.
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
N dead at asking where is the house that Aretha built. It's inducted into the hall of fame. Your fave has been outside with a pick me please sign for 9 years
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What house did Aretha build?
And Beyoncé will be standing outside for much longer considering she still has 12 years before she's even eligible.
Maybe Janet will give Beyoncé her sign when she gets in.
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ATRL Contributor
Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by Auburn
I'm not tearing down anything but falsified aggrandizement. I'm strictly pointing out that her career simply hasn't reached the levels of the others.
I'm not denying she is successful like the way Janet's achievements are being blatantly erased. But like usual some Hive member will equate disliking Beyonce to racism or sexism.
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You literally just did the same exact thing with Janet. At least try to have some consistency in your posts.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Bey is already in. They are praising her and calling her a rock legend.
But you a ticket and go view her exhibit in the legends section.
Continue to steam.
N dead @ what house did Aretha built when the first divas live was in her honor
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by IMPACTNET.
Donna Summer has no impact? Wow. Donna was not only the Queen of an entire genre, but she revolutionized dance music, via EDM, a sound first heard with "I Feel Love." You have to be completely musically ignorant to suggest that Donna Summer lacked impact. But then again, this is ATRL after all.
Full Force were not the first to use New Jack Swing.
Janet does have production and songwriting credit on "Nasty" as well as several other songs. Stop embarrassing yourself. Actually no, keep making a fool of yourself. It's entertainment for me.
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I never said Donna had no impact. I said she was a superstar in the 70s, which is a fact. Her music was great and popular, which is a fact. But there are others who are more remembered from that period of time, and that is also a fact. Hence I compared Rihanna to Donna. Great singles, great career, however not as impactful as others.
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N at you thinking Jan is ever getting into the HOF
Give it up.
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Did I just see Donna Summer compared to Rihanna
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Member Since: 1/2/2014
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Originally posted by OnMyCoolJ
Bey is already in. They are praising her and calling her a rock legend.
But you a ticket and go view her exhibit in the legends section.
Continue to steam.
N dead @ what house did Aretha built when the first divas live was in her honor
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She isn't inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. Get over it.
And I'm still waiting on you to tell me what house Aretha built. Just say you don't know and take the L.
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
I never said Donna had no impact. I said she was a superstar in the 70s, which is a fact. Her music was great and popular, which is a fact. But there are others who are more remembered from that period of time, and that is also a fact. Hence I compared Rihanna to Donna. Great singles, great career, however not as impactful as others.
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First of all, comparing Rihanna to Donna Summer is an insult. Secondly, in what way isn't she as impactful as her peers? Just because she may have been underrated, it still doesn't mean she wasn't as impactful or even moreso that her peers. She did more for the progression of music than most of her peers, especially Diana.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Quote:
Originally posted by Auburn
I'm not tearing down anything but falsified aggrandizement. I'm strictly pointing out that her career simply hasn't reached the levels of the others.
I'm not denying she is successful like the way Janet's achievements are being blatantly erased. But like usual some Hive member will equate disliking Beyonce to racism or sexism.
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You claimed she has no impact and that the media is basically responsible for her career. You're a loser
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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What I'm telling you is that Janet is not a legend. And never will be.
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Member Since: 3/1/2014
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Beyoncé, with her great vocal and performing ability, 200 mil+ records sold, 20 Grammys (and being the most awarded artist alive), praises and respect from her peers, the younger generation and the older generation, think pieces dedicated to her and her albums and careers from everyone including historical feminists, Harvard studies, college courses across the globe dedicated to her and her career, iconic movies made with her name, Superbowl performances, slayed the pre-digital era, digital era and the streaming era, made the world stop on Dec 13, 2013 and currently on one of the biggest, most successful female tours of all time (with a great chance to be the highest grossing female tour of all time) doesn't need validation from forum homosexuals. Her tours having attendance from more A list celebs from every spectrum of entertainment than award shows speaks for itself.
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