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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016
Member Since: 12/1/2011
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Originally posted by foxaylove
!!!! People are making this Vice President selection thing out to be more than what it really needs to be be. She trusts and respects him; not to mention, he's ready for the position on day one. Sounds good to me.
And now he supports it despite his religious views, right? He also put his faith to the side and openly supported abortion. Hillary, Bernie, Obama, and so on all have had reservations of homosexuality, but have changed their views. Tim Kaine, should be treated no differently. I rather he be accepting and open-minded than be solidly against.
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He just strikes me as the type that won't really be for positive change unless it's got major backing as already, not to sound like a berniecrat but i'd rather push for someone striving for change not just catching up.
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Member Since: 3/5/2011
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Originally posted by foxaylove
The Vice-President is not the end-all to a campaign. Trump in himself is a motivating factor to get people to the polls to vote against him. They already made schedules and plans for people like Elizabeth Warren on the campaign trail as surrogates, just like others during the primaries, where they go out to campaign on Hillary's behalf. Plenty will motivate people to vote: Trump, Obama's legacy, SCOTUS picks, Equal Pay, College debt, and so on. Kaine is a Spanish speaker and will be immediately doing Spanish-led interviews with key production companies likes Univision and Telemundo, broadcasting to millions of Spanish speaking Americans in Florida, Texas, Nevada, Colorado, California, New Mexico, Arizona, and so on. Every candidate has their pros and cons, Tim just has more pros that he brings to the table with his intangibles.
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He's accomplished and all, but it guess he just feels like a double-down of Hillary's worst qualities (uninspiring, awkward, wonky and not a good campaigner)
The #2 is supposed to balance out the ticket, not be a literal clone of her (imo)
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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The transcript of Trump's speech  Is this real? The LGBT shoutout he's just so presidential!!
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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It kills me that wonkishness is considered a bad quality now.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by Citrus
It kills me that wonkishness is considered a bad quality now.
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Am I missing a definition of wonky? How is that not a bad quality?
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by hairofglory
Am I missing a definition of wonky? How is that not a bad quality?
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Wonk is a term of someone that knows policy inside and out, it's know backwards. In terms of the phrase policy wonk, it was inspired by that idea.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
Wonk is a term of someone that knows policy inside and out, it's know backwards. In terms of the phrase policy wonk, it was inspired by that idea.
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Interesting..I'm thinking the other wonk
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Yeah, wonk/wonky is a weird word in that it has two almost opposite definitions.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by hairofglory
The transcript of Trump's speech Is this real? The LGBT shoutout he's just so presidential!! |
There is nothing presidential about Donald Trump. 
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Member Since: 7/13/2010
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Originally posted by hairofglory
The transcript of Trump's speech Is this real? The LGBT shoutout he's just so presidential!! |
i fail to see how a shoutout to the gays and queers makes someone presidential, especially when some of the most anti-LGBT language was just included in the republican platform.
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Member Since: 6/5/2012
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
i fail to see how a shoutout to the gays and queers makes someone presidential, especially when some of the most anti-LGBT language was just included in the republican platform.
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And look at his VP choice. 
That user can't be serious trying to make Donald seem like a LGBT ally.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by hairofglory
The transcript of Trump's speech Is this real? The LGBT shoutout he's just so presidential!! |
He's gonna bring the Republicans into the 21st century on that aspect definitely
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Member Since: 11/27/2010
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Originally posted by RatedG²
He's gonna bring the Republicans into the 21st century on that aspect definitely
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No he's not. It's going to be a dick Cheney situation. People hate Mike Pence in Indiana for a reason.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
He's gonna bring the Republicans into the 21st century on that aspect definitely
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No he's not. He offered Kasich the role of VP saying that he would be in charge of "foreign and domestic policy" meaning that his VP is going to make all the decisions, in a nutshell. And his VP is an extremely homophobic Republican that will push LGBTQ issues further back in progress.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Originally posted by Adonis
No he's not. It's going to be a dick Cheney situation. People hate Mike Pence in Indiana for a reason.
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Originally posted by Bloo
No he's not. He offered Kasich the role of VP saying that he would be in charge of "foreign and domestic policy" meaning that his VP is going to make all the decisions, in a nutshell. And his VP is an extremely homophobic Republican that will push LGBTQ issues further back in progress.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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What exactly in a VP does she need to contrast herself with? I see some of you saying he's a wonk ike her. I see others saying he's too calm.
If your argument is she needs balance, I think you need to acknowledge exactly what she's having issues with. No one hates her because of her policies and being a know-it-all. Her main issue is trust and a lack of authenticity. What better way to turn the narrative than with a likable and reasonable guy who people can trust in that's she's actually a decent woman. That's what she has issues with. Exciting the base is already in effect. Trump is exciting them. I don't like this narrative that she needs someone with excitement. That could be bad because they could overshadow her.
Just throwing stuff out. I'm not too concerned about anyone she picks at this point.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by King Maxx
What exactly in a VP does she need to contrast herself with? I see some of you saying he's a wink like her. I see others saying he's too calm.
If your argument is she needs balance, I think you acknowledge exactly what she's having issues with. No one hates her because of her policies and being a know-it-all. Her main issue is trust and a lack of authenticity. What better way to turn the narrative than with a likable and reasonable guy who people can trust in that's she's actually a decent woman. That's what she has issues with. Exciting the base is already in effect. Trump is exciting them. I don't like this narrative that she needs someone with excitement. That could be bad because they could overshadow her.
Just throwing stuff out. I'm not too concerned about anyone she picks at this point.
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Exactly. One of the BIGGEST criticisms that people have of her is that they do not trust her because she "bought and paid for by Wall Street". Do you really think that that narrative is not going to be strengthened by someone who wants to deregulate the big banks when the regulation of them was one of the most prominent stances and issues in the primary? I just don't see how Kaine is going to do anything other than hurt her. He offers nothing she doesn't already have.
She needs someone like Elizabeth Warren who is highly trusted by the public and can energize the base, something Hillary is not that capable of.
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Originally posted by Bloo
No he's not. He offered Kasich the role of VP saying that he would be in charge of "foreign and domestic policy" meaning that his VP is going to make all the decisions, in a nutshell. And his VP is an extremely homophobic Republican that will push LGBTQ issues further back in progress.
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I believe this was debunked by several people including DT Jr. but could be wrong.
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Originally posted by MAKSIM
i fail to see how a shoutout to the gays and queers makes someone presidential, especially when some of the most anti-LGBT language was just included in the republican platform.
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Sorry my wording is everywhere, didn't mean to relate them. Was referring to the general nature of the speech. And true but let's be real, many of those people will die off in a few generations and the bigots that remain will have to deal
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by hairofglory
I believe this was debunked by several people including DT Jr. but could be wrong.
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I somehow trust the Kasich camp more than Trump camp (the same camp that said Melania didn't at all copy Michelle's speech and then later admit otherwise). 
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Member Since: 3/7/2011
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Omg there's a hunty speaking right now!
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