Not a fan of #NewYorkValues
J/K, i don't have a problem with 3 NYorkers running, tho it's a bit much
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BeyAdmired's post is so dramatic lol.
We survived Bush/Cheney, i think we'll be fine whichever way.
The president isn't that powerful, there are enough checks and balances to insure the country against potential dictators like Trump and Bernie
Funny.
You think Bush/Cheney was bad? Wait till Trump gets into the White House. He doesn't even want the ****ing job. He just wants to say he's the President.
As you know (or should know), America has an influence on the rest of the world, particularly their close allies. I am extremely worried about a Trump presidency. Terrifed. How some of you Americans are so relaxed about this is so scary to me. Don't you realise what this man could do to your country?
You think Bush/Cheney was bad? Wait till Trump gets into the White House. He doesn't even want the ****ing job. He just wants to say he's the President.
As you know (or should know), America has an influence on the rest of the world, particularly their close allies. I am extremely worried about a Trump presidency. Terrifed. How some of you Americans are so relaxed about this is so scary to me. Don't you realise what this man could do to your country?
What are some exact things that you are afraid of?
Nope, I genuinely hate him as a candidate. Ridiculously idealist, no real and legitimate proposals that would ever pass the House and Senate together, etc. etc.
Any democratic nominee is going to struggle to pass legislation in the House and Senate when both have Republican majorities...
Hillary, despite being more moderate, is just as polarizing of a figure amongst the GOP as Bernie is. I have no doubt that they can both negotiate to get their agendas through bipartisan support, and I'm sure both have worked with Republicans on multiple bills as well.
Disagree with his ideas and values as much as you want. I think that's absolutely valid, but this idea that Hillary is going to easily get her agenda through the House and Senate is incredibly inaccurate and not really a valid reason for not supporting Bernie.
End of the day - any Democratic president is going to struggle. Look at how much Obama has had to rely on executive action to push his policies during the last year, and him and Hillary are more or less similar in terms of how far they lean left/center.
Mess, I was afraid to look up Castro's Spanish the other day when we were discussing VP picks and sure enough it was as floppy as I had thought. "pOrticipar" instead of participar and El Convencion instead of La Convencion If Hillary wants him because of the Latino factor then he'd better get a crash course or the Univision interviews will be a trainwreck
Eh, it's a legitimate reason to me due to the fact that we've had countless males as presidents. If the playing field was leveled right from the beginning we wouldn't have this problem but alas. This also happened with Obama, many black people wanted to see the first black president and somehow that seemed okay but now people are crucified for wanting Hillary to be the first female. Get over it!
That moment President Obama low-key endorses Hillary, unofficially.
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"I think that if Bernie won Iowa or won New Hampshire, then you guys are going to do your jobs and, you know, you're going to dig into his proposals and how much they cost and what does it mean, and, you know, how does his tax policy work and he's subjected, then, to a rigor that hasn't happened yet, but that Hillary is very well familiar with," Obama said.
The president later suggested Sanders' candidacy was something like a "bright, shiny object" to voters looking for something new.
"I've gotten to know Hillary really well, and she is a good, smart, tough person who cares deeply about this country, and she has been in the public eye for a long time and in a culture in which new is always better," he said. "And, you know, you're always looking at the bright, shiny object that people don't, haven't seen before. That's a disadvantage to her."
If he were elected, Sanders would be 75 years old on assuming office, the oldest person to become president in American history by more than five years.
"The truth is, in 2007 and 2008, sometimes my supporters and my staff, I think, got too huffy about what were legitimate questions she was raising," he said. "And there were times where I think the media probably was a little unfair to her and tilted a little my way in calling her out."
Any democratic nominee is going to struggle to pass legislation in the House and Senate when both have Republican majorities...
Hillary, despite being more moderate, is just as polarizing of a figure amongst the GOP as Bernie is. I have no doubt that they can both negotiate to get their agendas through bipartisan support, and I'm sure both have worked with Republicans on multiple bills as well.
Disagree with his ideas and values as much as you want. I think that's absolutely valid, but this idea that Hillary is going to easily get her agenda through the House and Senate is incredibly inaccurate and not really a valid reason for not supporting Bernie.
End of the day - any Democratic president is going to struggle. Look at how much Obama has had to rely on executive action to push his policies during the last year, and him and Hillary are more or less similar in terms of how far they lean left/center.
Bernie's proposals would not survive negotiation or receive bipartisan support. The idea behind supporting a more moderate candidate is that it's more likely for them to be able to pass the legislation they want. I also think that the claim some people make that Bernie would do better through starting further away and then negotiation is a bit wrong as well. The notion that Clinton might do better might be entirely wrong, might be right but in such an insignificantly small amount that it doesn't matter, whatever, but it's not very useful to pick at when it's a relatively minor part of why I'm making my decision.
Plus, this all neglects the facts that some of Bernie's proposals aren't even backed by all Democrats and are entirely different from Hillary's, while most of hers would likely find full Democrat support.
As you noted, there are plenty of other valid reasons not to support him, like his blind idealism and support of several policies I just flat out don't agree with.
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Yup, I rest my case.
That was one post, and was probably a joke if anything.
The vast majority of Hillary supporters have strong, legitimate reasons for choosing her. The people voting for her because of her gender are really no different than the few voting against her out of irrational hate and unsubstantiated allegations.
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I feel like he's just stacking words upon words, no substance.
And, you know, and, you know, and, you know, and, you know.
But he had plenty of substance.
Being the frontrunner was a double-edged sword for Hillary
Bernie benefits from the "shiny and new" concept in an election that demonstrates growing dissatisfaction with the establishment
Hillary presents "a recognition that translating values into governance and delivering the goods is ultimately the job of politics"
If Bernie gains momentum, the media and Republicans will scrutinize him and his policies more heavily than ever, while Hillary has already dealt with that
Obama's own campaign was too dismissive of legitimate questions raised by Hillary in '08
And I think that there was even more in the Politico article about it. He's saying plenty of legitimate, substantive things about the current Democratic primary's dynamics.
Barack definitely unofficially endorsed Clinton. But who didn't see that coming? He thought so highly of her he made her SoS, the most powerful position in his administration after VP
I was trolling but yas daddy take the bait. im actually voting for Hillary because she was the leader of the senatorial movement to raise the federal minimim wage. She has done the most to help working class Americans. Yes, she still used her power and connections to become mega rich but hey at least she did something for me along the way..
Anyways, mess @ President Obama dragging Bernie's policies. Thats exactly what delulu Sanders stans want. They are obsessed with opposition.
That was one post, and was probably a joke if anything.
The vast majority of Hillary supporters have strong, legitimate reasons for choosing her. The people voting for her because of her gender are really no different than the few voting against her out of irrational hate and unsubstantiated allegations.
When did I say that it wasn't that one post and that everybody on here is voting for that reason? stop trying to create arguments out of nowhere.
I've been following the primaries closely and I was expecting ATRL to lean heavily towards Bernie because I thought the demographic here was really young. Kinda surprised tbh
I've been following the primaries closely and I was expecting ATRL to lean heavily towards Bernie because I thought the demographic here was really young. Kinda surprised tbh
ATRL does tend to lean Bernie in a lot of ways, from my observation; the primary population is young and idealistic gay men, who are more likely to be very liberal. Those of us who support Hillary are more vocal, I think, probably in order to subconsciously try to compensate for Bernie's (potential) numbers.
However, we have to face the facts that Bernie is essentially an extremist / fringe candidate within the Democratic party now that he's actually a registered Democrat (and I don't use those terms negatively, but as a matter of position on the political spectrum). He's very liberal. ATRL may in fact have more Hillary supporters for the reason that moderates compose a much greater portion of all liberals.
Also, I find that many Bernie supporters are more likely to be less inclined to follow politics in a general sense - they're the people who have either not had interest in politics prior to his campaign, or who have for some reason lost faith in the established Democratic party and the US government system. This would make sense given that polling shows his supporters to be heavily composed of first-time voters and other young millennials.
If Hillary wants him because of the Latino factor then he'd better get a crash course or the Univision interviews will be a trainwreck 
im actually voting for Hillary because she was the leader of the senatorial movement to raise the federal minimim wage. She has done the most to help working class Americans. Yes, she still used her power and connections to become mega rich but hey at least she did something for me along the way.. 
stop trying to create arguments out of nowhere.