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News: Migrant crisis in EU: AUT to build fence on border with SLO
Member Since: 8/17/2013
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This is a mess. Thank god that my parents fleet in year 2000 from Iraq to Germany and that Germany took us. I love it here!
But some of you are disgusting they are fleeing because of the war...
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
Passports, Birth Certificates; if not available Information from the Syrian Embassy. It's not the first time in history, that Germany provides Support for People fleeing from war. We have accepted Thousands of People from Ex-Yugoslavia after 1999. Asylum has been an established Process here for Decades now.
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Ok
But what's gonna happen with the ones who are not granted asylum but still refuse to leave?
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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A convoy of cars driven by German and Austrian activists has crossed into Hungary to pick up migrants and help them reach western Europe.
Thousands - many of whom initially fled conflict in Syria - have made their way through Austria since Hungary removed restrictions on transit on Friday.
Buses and special trains have been taking them from the Hungarian border to Vienna and on to Germany.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34166882
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Member Since: 3/8/2014
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Originally posted by beautiful player
I think that we're forgetting that, while Western Europe is at risk of receiving a lot of closed-minded religious fanatics, there are also a lot of closeted sistrens in this fresh shipment. Gays and trans* people are stoned, decapitated and tortured in the Arab world. They only seek the freedom to live and be their true selves.
It's too easy to clump these hoards of people into one simplified generalisation that agrees with our prejudicial mindsets. These refugees have been betrayed and deceived by their own neighbours. They want a comfortable house, a prosperous job and a sustainable future. Right now, Western Europe is their best bet. We need to get over our self-serving white European privilege and reach out to the less fortunate, pronto.
Therefore, in light of recent events, I move to propose leaving the straights at the border, and putting the hunties on extended benefits and welfare.
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And when those immigrants start not wanting to merge within western culture and manners, receive paychecks but not work, and terrorize people living there and do crime activities, you wouldn't be white whitening about them would you ?
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Member Since: 8/27/2012
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Ok
But what's gonna happen with the ones who are not granted asylum but still refuse to leave?
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Well, Germany is refusing people from other countries every day. Around 45% of the refugees are from Balkan. 99% get send back. It's not like Germany never dealt with a situation like this before. It's definitely not easy but they do it every day. I don't know how exactly they are doing it. I'm not an expert. But it's happening for years now.
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Member Since: 1/1/2014
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Originally posted by Alystar
And when those immigrants start not wanting to merge within western culture and manners, receive paychecks but not work, and terrorize people living there and do crime activities, you wouldn't be white whitening about them would you ?
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By then I'll already have hopped on the jet to Australia or Iceland. Don't worry about me honey.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by GypsyLife
These are just the number, point blank.
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They are incorrect though... Germany only has like 9% immigrants, NL + France 20%, UK like 8 or something, I don't know where they got their numbers, I looked it up in official statistics released by the ministries
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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My opinion/how I'd handle it:
- Every country in the EU is obliged to spend 0.5% of their GDP on the refugee problem: the country itself gets to decide whether it is spent for refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Libya or their own country and they can even spend it on increased border control.
- People able to prove they're Syrian (able to speak the language or dialect spoken there) will be allowed in Europe. Everybody else will be deported to country of origin or in special cases to neighbouring countries by plane (paid for by the government of the country that's deporting the refugee).
- Political activists and journalists from autocratic countries will still, as always, be allowed.
- Refugee offices opened in each refugee camp in the Middle East, to let a limited amount of people in.
- Strict border control like Australia to prevent people from trying to cross the border themselves. Leave no way open for refugees to enter Europe.
- Refugee offices opened in all refugee camps in the Middle East to allow for each Syrian child under 16 to take one family member with him to Europe, Australia or North America. Those people will be travelled to (for example) Europe by plane and there a government will have to accept the refugee.
- Refugees from countries other than Syria will not be allowed to enter the EU unless they are journalists or for example gay activists.
- Still, whatever happens, no military action in Syria against Assad as long as Putin supports Assad because we don't want this to turn into a worldwar.
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Member Since: 3/8/2014
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Originally posted by beautiful player
By then I'll already have hopped on the jet to Australia or Iceland. Don't worry about me honey.
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Good for you girl.
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Member Since: 1/1/2013
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Originally posted by Swine
My opinion/how I'd handle it:
- Every country in the EU is obliged to spend 0.5% of their GDP on the refugee problem: the country itself gets to decide whether it is spent for refugees in Lebanon, Jordan, Libya or their own country and they can even spend it on increased border control.
- People able to prove they're Syrian (able to speak the language or dialect spoken there) will be allowed in Europe. Everybody else will be deported to country of origin or in special cases to neighbouring countries by plane (paid for by the government of the country that's deporting the refugee).
- Political activists and journalists from autocratic countries will still, as always, be allowed.
- Refugee offices opened in each refugee camp in the Middle East, to let a limited amount of people in.
- Strict border control like Australia to prevent people from trying to cross the border themselves. Leave no way open for refugees to enter Europe.
- Refugee offices opened in all refugee camps in the Middle East to allow for each Syrian child under 16 to take one family member with him to Europe, Australia or North America. Those people will be travelled to (for example) Europe by plane and there a government will have to accept the refugee.
- Refugees from countries other than Syria will not be allowed to enter the EU unless they are journalists or for example gay activists.
- Still, whatever happens, no military action in Syria against Assad as long as Putin supports Assad because we don't want this to turn into a worldwar.
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I disagree with quite a few, but most with the last one... Assad needs to be taken down and they need to take Putin down as well if need be, most Russian citizens are being oppressed right now, the elections there have been rigged several times now
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Member Since: 8/18/2013
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Originally posted by BadMonster
They are incorrect though... Germany only has like 9% immigrants, NL + France 20%, UK like 8 or something, I don't know where they got their numbers, I looked it up in official statistics released by the ministries
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That's because of the colonial past of Holland and France... There's also a big difference between Western migrants and non-Western migrants. i wonder however why this is related to the topic?
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Originally posted by BadMonster
I disagree with quite a few, but most with the last one... Assad needs to be taken down and they need to take Putin down as well if need be, most Russian citizens are being oppressed right now, the elections there have been rigged several times now
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I get why you think so but it's very complicated. See what happened in Libya; that's what will also happen in Syria if Assad is taken down. And next to that, Putin is on his side which means that you could unleash a worldwar by killing Assad. I think all other countries should stay out of the conflict, let Russia mess up there and let Russia have their moment of national shame just like the US does in Iraq, which will ultimately benefit us more.
Also, your opinion about the gulf states not accepting anybody is incorrect. Over 95% of the population of the UAE is migrant, with a large part of them from Syria. Saudi Arabia, Iraq and such are not very suitable for Syrians because of internal conflicts in the region, you must understand that for a country like Saudi Arabia to accept Syrians it would be like for Israel to accept Syrians - possibly quite dangerous.
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Member Since: 2/15/2010
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Originally posted by Alystar
And when those immigrants start not wanting to merge within western culture and manners, receive paychecks but not work, and terrorize people living there and do crime activities, you wouldn't be white whitening about them would you ?
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You're putting too much emphasize on the negative. You can't be selective with a bunch of asylum seekers. What do you want to say to them when you deny them access to your country, because you fear an increase in terrorist activities and the likes? Are you gonna tell one person they're good to go and the other who wears a beard that he needs to leave because he could be a potential terrorist?
It's in both parties best interests to put extensive security control near the borders but allow those who have fled from their respective war-torn countries. We cannot just cross of an entire batch of human beings because of one ridiculous generalization. Mind you, some of these women and men might already have had education and or successful careers.
No, we're not going those who seek shelter with a monthly payment for sitting on their asses. You'd want these migrants to get back on their feet as soon as possible, but you'd also want to be considerate because of tragic events that may have happened in the lives of these asylum seekers. It is therefore the duty of each European country's government to invest in schooling, teaching and helping these migrants.
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Member Since: 9/2/2012
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Originally posted by anti-bitch
A convoy of cars driven by German and Austrian activists has crossed into Hungary to pick up migrants and help them reach western Europe.
Thousands - many of whom initially fled conflict in Syria - have made their way through Austria since Hungary removed restrictions on transit on Friday.
Buses and special trains have been taking them from the Hungarian border to Vienna and on to Germany.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34166882
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The kindness 
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
Ok
But what's gonna happen with the ones who are not granted asylum but still refuse to leave?
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They're are given a date and a ticket back to their home country. Those who don't leave are illegal in this country. They're going to be arrested and deported if caught by the Police. It happens every day.
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
They're are given a date and a ticket back to their home country. Those who don't leave are illegal in this country. They're going to be arrested and deported if caught by the Police. It happens every day.
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What if they start rioting and throwing rocks and stuff at the police like they did in Greece, Macedonia and Hungary?
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
What if they start rioting and throwing rocks and stuff at the police like they did in Greece, Macedonia and Hungary?
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 You need to stop making things up. We've accepted tens of thousands of people from Ex-Yugoslavia, Irak, Afghanistan over the last 15 years. Many more from other countries have been rejected. There are no riots from immigrants. This is a big and wealthy country with an ageing population and plenty of vacant jobs. We can handle it.
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Member Since: 2/15/2012
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
You need to stop making things up. We've accepted tens of thousands of people from Ex-Yugoslavia, Irak, Afghanistan over the last 15 years. Many more from other countries have been rejected. There are no riots from immigrants. This is a big and wealthy country with an ageing population and plenty of vacant jobs. We can handle it. |
But can you handle 800,000 asylum seekers this year and possibly over a million next?
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Member Since: 9/17/2011
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Originally posted by Red Hot Moon
You need to stop making things up. We've accepted tens of thousands of people from Ex-Yugoslavia, Irak, Afghanistan over the last 15 years. Many more from other countries have been rejected. There are no riots from immigrants. This is a big and wealthy country with an ageing population and plenty of vacant jobs. We can handle it. |
I'm talking about the ones coming into the country right now who won't be allowed to stay
I doubt they'll just calmly accept the fact that after all of the troubles they went through to get to Germany they are suddenly denied the asylum and asked to leave.
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Originally posted by anti-bitch
But can you handle 800,000 asylum seekers this year and possibly over a million next?
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We've dealt with similar numbers in the early 90s in a much worse economic situation and a huge number of unemployed people, when we didn't need immigration.
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Member Since: 3/4/2014
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Originally posted by AnneBoleyn
I'm talking about the ones coming into the country right now who won't be allowed to stay
I doubt they'll just calmly accept the fact that after all of the troubles they went through to get to Germany they are suddenly denied the asylum and asked to leave.
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They go through the Process - which can take up to 1 year, before a decision is made - individually, not as a group. You need to calm down.
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