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Discussion: Beyonce: same level as Madonna, Mariah, Whitney, Janet?
Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Y'all keep bragging about sales' aspects when Bey has sold 200+ million records. Like, y'all would come up with the most ridiculous arguments just to downplay Bey's career.
Today she's not selling enough, tomorrow she's paying critics, the day after she hasn't had a hit since 2009. Like, in the big scheme of things, these arguments are IRRELEVANT cause guess what: 2016 was still Beyonce's year as of now. It was still the year where she sparked a global discussion on the BLM when performing at the SB and releasing the Formation video. It is still the year she released her magnum opus as of now, an album that will earn her AWARDS that will last forever. It is still the year her tour might become the biggest female tour of ALL TIME. It is still the year, in which Bey, after 19 years in the industry, manages to excell at everything she does, in which she is STILL deemed as the greatest performer of our generation in which she is still seen as the BEST artist in the world currently.
You want to know why? Because of the same reason Aretha didn't have to sell 20 millions with one album in order to be remember as one of the greatest singers in the world: Talent. Not everybody has that.
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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janet. and RN1814 sold 20M WW tho
Basically no artists sold 20M albums in Aretha's prime, what's Beyonce's excuse? Britney did it, Usher did it, even Christina almost did it. Yet Bey couldn't even pass 12M.
Beyoncé hasn't sold 200M records DC doesn't count. And without them, she's sold even less than Janet, who is supposedly local, and didn't have digital singles sales to boost her total.
Stop disrespecting legends.
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Member Since: 12/23/2006
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Originally posted by *-ChriZ-*
Poor Aretha, her career seems so null and void now. Thanks for the clarification. Who is Aretha anyways?
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and Etta and Ella and Dusty.
and Bey's albums after i am.. aren't really the mass-appealing pop/r&b albums anymore, plus the sales decline of course affects. she's selling pretty damn good still after all.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Originally posted by Auburn
janet. and RN1814 sold 20M WW tho
Basically no artists sold 20M albums in Aretha's prime, what's Beyonce's excuse? Britney did it, Usher did it, even Christina almost did it. Yet Bey couldn't even pass 12M.
Beyoncé hasn't sold 200M records DC doesn't count. And without them, she's sold even less than Janet, who is supposedly local, and didn't have digital singles sales to boost her total.
Stop disrespecting legends.
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Whatever helps you sleep at night boo.
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Member Since: 12/23/2006
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i dont see why DC sales wouldn't count tho?
i mean with an asterisk since it wasn't solo, but not counting it is like not giving Paul credit for what Beatles sold and count completely separate...
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Beyonce is a thief.
Beyonce isn't original.
Beyonce owes her entire career to these women and her daddy.
Beyonce is mediocrity at it's finest and no amount of buying songwriting credits, stealing dance routines, daddy buying her awards or having a "perfect" PR image will change that.
Have a nice day.
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Member Since: 8/30/2010
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Originally posted by Auburn
Stop disrespecting legends.
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I know right! people need to leave beyonce alone!
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Member Since: 8/30/2010
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Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Beyonce is a thief.
Beyonce isn't original.
Beyonce owes her entire career to these women and her daddy.
Beyonce is mediocrity at it's finest and no amount of buying songwriting credits, stealing dance routines, daddy buying her awards or having a "perfect" PR image will change that.
Have a nice day.
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your fav ****ed label head for record deal and promotion.
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Auburn
janet. and RN1814 sold 20M WW tho
Basically no artists sold 20M albums in Aretha's prime, what's Beyonce's excuse? Britney did it, Usher did it, even Christina almost did it. Yet Bey couldn't even pass 12M.
Beyoncé hasn't sold 200M records DC doesn't count. And without them, she's sold even less than Janet, who is supposedly local, and didn't have digital singles sales to boost her total.
Stop disrespecting legends.
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So Beyoncé didn't sell 20 million when album sales were good, but she's selling way more now than those who used to be able to sell 20 million, by higher margins. So... what's your point? She may not have entered as big as them but she's remained and grown in status.
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Member Since: 1/16/2011
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What's even more frightening is the fact that the Hive is almost CELEBRATING the sexism and racism that all but ended Janet's career, which is something I thought their fave fought against
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by stevyy
am i missing sth? Beyoncé best selling album was her debut album. Which makes her irrelevant in the legend category, bc a legendary act's biggest album cannot be their debut.
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That's not what decides a legend LOL
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Originally posted by stevyy
Beyoncé may be in the industry for 19 years, but as a solo artist she only exists since 2003.
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She still has been around for 19 years... like... ?
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Originally posted by stevyy
Queen Madonna had consistency, having a studio album selling 15,5m copies 20 years after the debut. Céline had an album shifting 12 million copies 15 years after her debut, Mariah had an album sell 10 million copies 15 years after debut, Whitney had a 14 million selling album 14 years after debut. Janet had an album sell in excess of 8m copies almost 20 years after her debut as well.
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When you debut in the midst of, or before the hugest sales climate, you can do that. Is that hard to understand?
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Ressti
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YES
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Originally posted by Auburn
What's even more frightening is the fact that the Hive is almost CELEBRATING the sexism and racism that all but ended Janet's career, which is something I thought their fave fought against
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It’s not wise to judge an entire group of people based on the actions of a few.
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Member Since: 12/23/2006
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wait @ this thread, 46 ****ing pages
and all the disrespecting towards esp Janet AND Bey here is too much, there's really no need or reason to altho Janet's career is pretty much ended, she's left a massive legacy on her own not just as Michael's sister
imo Bey has the package more than anyone of these mentioned legends (performer, singer, dancer and to atleast some extent, no one knows how much i guess?, a songwriter). but if she has been overall bigger/more impactful is hard to say since she's still at her peak. but her tour should give a hunch.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Auburn
What's even more frightening is the fact that the Hive is almost CELEBRATING the sexism and racism that all but ended Janet's career, which is something I thought their fave fought against
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We can say the same about you Janet fans. Lol at playing the victim when you do ALL the things you accuse others of.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Auburn
Basically no artists sold 20M albums in Aretha's prime, what's Beyonce's excuse? Britney did it, Usher did
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whats the velvet rope (who sold less than the writings on the wall) all 4 u (who sold less than survivor), Damita jo (who sold less than dangerously in love), 20 YO (who sold less than bday), discipline (who sold less than IASF, unbreakable (who sold less than self titled) excuse?? Why they didn't sell 20 mill? Usher did it, Britney did it.
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Member Since: 11/13/2011
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Quote:
Originally posted by Miracle Whip
Beyonce is a thief.
Beyonce isn't original.
Beyonce owes her entire career to these women and her daddy.
Beyonce is mediocrity at it's finest and no amount of buying songwriting credits, stealing dance routines, daddy buying her awards or having a "perfect" PR image will change that.
Have a nice day.
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I hope this was worth the WP
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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Why are we fighting over New Jack Swing when it's one of the most dated sounding musical trends ever?
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Member Since: 3/27/2012
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This thread has inspired me to listen to Janet's full discography in order thanks! (I did it with Mariah recently and it was fun)
Janet IS a legend.
All these women are.
We don't need to tear anyone down to bring Beyoncé up. She is on their level, maybe not stat-by-stat but it's completely different eras and Beyoncé is certainly on their level for this generation.
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Member Since: 5/27/2016
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Can we all just agree that Janet, Mariah, Celine, Whitney, Madonna, and Beyoncé are amazing artists and all 6 have offered something to the table in today's music?
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