[Harrier]

Originally posted by OnikaChrist

I just went through this thread, and some of you have disgusting views.

Just because a country is allowing refugees from the Middle East and Africa to live in their country, that doesn't mean that a war is coming. That's a very disgusting thing to say. Why are some of you so against having refugees in your country, so they can live a better life? Wow. Never change, ATRL.

Although there has been a bit of trolling, I think some of the issues raised are legitimate. You'd be foolish not to see that the beliefs of the majority of these immigrants are vastly different and extremely conflicting to those of many westerners, particularly when it comes to secularism and sexual freedom.

[Diarrhoea]

Y'all do too much. A lot of these posts have points just as valid as y'all's. Just ignore the crazies.

[PhreshDiamond]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Men should be sent back. I get welcoming women and children but men should be fighting for their country if they want a better future instead of fleeing like cowards. The US and Europe didn't become rich with men without any balls.

This tbh.

[Zoraluv]

Originally posted by ontherocks

Yes, try to find justification for your actions.

Sometimes I wonder if some of you would rather want to have Nazi Germany back. According to some who don't mind nazi supporters, but mind any other citizen that is not their ethnicity or even worse, an immigrant.

Honestlyyy
Thankfully this is just ATRL.

On the other hand I really wish America would take on some refugees since indirectly this is their fault.

[Zoraluv]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Men should be sent back. I get welcoming women and children but men should be fighting for their country if they want a better future instead of fleeing like cowards. The US and Europe didn't become rich with men without any balls.

Us was founded on immigrants work but that's a whole other story

[Shelter]

Originally posted by OnikaChrist

Bump for the next page to see.

Just a question. When Europe eventually says no more and they keep coming, do you think they are just going to say OK and go home?

[Red Hot Moon]

Originally posted by Alpha

no surprise everybody wants to get there, the problem is that the german government is doing too much.
two week my parents got a letter from the german government because we own two appartments there, saying that if we dont use it temporarily we have to give the government the right to accommodate refugees. like wtf

we are talking about fully furnished private upper class appartments here. get your sh*t together germany

Stop spreading lies. That would be against the German constitution.

[Codex]

Originally posted by OnikaChrist

Bump for the next page to see.

Another question, what do you think will happen in a couple months when Germany sends back 60% of them for not being actual refugees? Will they calmly go back to wherever they came from? Is there no danger letting in hundreds of thousands of 25 year old healthy men pretending to be refugees without filtering the ones actually in danger? Is the vastly different culture not at all a problem?

[PhreshDiamond]

Originally posted by OnikaChrist

I just went through this thread, and some of you have disgusting views.

Just because a country is allowing refugees from the Middle East and Africa to live in their country, that doesn't mean that a war is coming. That's a very disgusting thing to say. Why are some of you so against having refugees in your country, so they can live a better life? Wow. Never change, ATRL.

You literally have no clue do you

If you think even for a moment that terrorist won't use this to their advantage then frankly you're blind.

[AnneBoleyn]

Originally posted by Codex

Another question, what do you think will happen in a couple months when Germany sends back 60% of them for not being actual refugees? Will they calmly go back to wherever they came from? Is there no danger letting in hundreds of thousands of 25 year old healthy men pretending to be refugees without filtering the ones actually in danger? Is the vastly different culture not at all a problem?

I'd like to know this too.
Also, how will they determine who is Syrian and who is not?

[PhreshDiamond]

Originally posted by AnneBoleyn

I'd like to know this too.
Also, how will they determine who is Syrian and who is not?

They can't, as most of them destroy their ID and paper work so they can't be sent home.

[Zoraluv]

Originally posted by PhreshDiamond

You literally have no clue do you

If you think even for a moment that terrorist won't use this to their advantage then frankly you're blind.

That is such a worry for me, I know damn well some isis members have snuck in.
but how do you handle a situation like that?

[Terylee]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

That would be great, but if after decades of integration tolerance towards gays is still lower among these populations compared to the average what makes you think we'll be able to convince the new ones to adhere to this liberal way of life ? Especially when they're regularly thrown in ghettos living among their own community accentuating their established point of view ?

It's not only about things that can get one punished, but more about a general state of mind which isn't illegal but will lead young gays living there, arab or not, to feel ill at ease and pushing some of them to either leaving or worse suicide.

Yes, it won't be easy. It won't happen in a day, in a week, in a month or a year. And there will always be people who won't accept it.
But I always have my Syrian neigbours in mind. They came here being absolutely against gays. Now a few years later they will not support gay rights openly but they accept them and treat them kindly and equally. That should be our aim. Maybe we will fail. Maybe my neighbours are the best example out there. But we should at least try to make it better for both immigrants/refugees and gays.
Also I have a feeling that it depends on the country. I think Germany can make it

[Nialler]

Originally posted by Zoraluv

That is such a worry for me, I know damn well some isis members have snuck in.
but how do you handle a situation like that?

Definitely not by throwing the EU laws into the trash can like Germany just did. I mean what's the point of having them if they are ignored just like that?

[Red Hot Moon]

Originally posted by AnneBoleyn

I'd like to know this too.
Also, how will they determine who is Syrian and who is not?

Passports, Birth Certificates; if not available Information from the Syrian Embassy. It's not the first time in history, that Germany provides Support for People fleeing from war. We have accepted Thousands of People from Ex-Yugoslavia after 1999. Asylum has been an established Process here for Decades now.

[PhreshDiamond]

Originally posted by Zoraluv

That is such a worry for me, I know damn well some isis members have snuck in.
but how do you handle a situation like that?

Its too late now, there is literally no way to find them until they start putting plans into action and hopefully get caught before they have chance to do any damage.

They should have been working on taking down the ISIS organisations and restoring the countries to a liveable state, not accepting thousands and thousands of people and expecting them to just sit in a tent nicely.

[Golden]

Originally posted by Idontcareaboutyou

Men should be sent back. I get welcoming women and children but men should be fighting for their country if they want a better future instead of fleeing like cowards. The US and Europe didn't become rich with men without any balls.

Oh wow..... We aren't in the middle ages are we?

[Terylee]

Originally posted by Zoraluv

That is such a worry for me, I know damn well some isis members have snuck in.
but how do you handle a situation like that?

That's something that i worrying me as well. I'm here for every immigrant or refugee who is in need but there will always be people who will take advantage of that. Looks like the secret service has a lot of work to do in the next few months and years.

[Codex]

I'm assuming they'll ask them questions that only Syrians would know. Where did you leave? What was your job? Or questions about the culture that only they would know. It would probably be incredibly difficult though and no way to do it for sure.

[beautiful player]

I think that we're forgetting that, while Western Europe is at risk of receiving a lot of closed-minded religious fanatics, there are also a lot of closeted sistrens in this fresh shipment. Gays and trans* people are stoned, decapitated and tortured in the Arab world. They only seek the freedom to live and be their true selves.

It's too easy to clump these hoards of people into one simplified generalisation that agrees with our prejudicial mindsets. These refugees have been betrayed and deceived by their own neighbours. They want a comfortable house, a prosperous job and a sustainable future. Right now, Western Europe is their best bet. We need to get over our self-serving white European privilege and reach out to the less fortunate, pronto.

Therefore, in light of recent events, I move to propose leaving the straights at the border, and putting the hunties on extended benefits and welfare.