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Originally posted by Kool_Aid_King
[ 1]And Society shouldn't care about women being topless either. Kanye isn't shining men in a different light then he is women. Men were naked with their asses out, just like women were.
[ 2]First of all, you do not know if Taylor Allowed it to happen or not. Second, IT'S. NOT. TAYOR'S. BODY. It's not different than these kind of pics floating around the internet
[ 3]Men and Women aren't on the same playing field, but the more you see a naked woman, the more normal it will become correct? Why are we so cool with shirtless men? Because we see it all the damn time. The more often you see it, the more normal it gets, that's how society works. Kanye showing a topless Taylor, Rihanna and Caitlyn Jenner just shows them casually being nude, which shouldn't be shocking. YOU make it shocking. YOU make it a big deal. YOU bring up all this whack **** which I have clocked before.
Do not compare sexual assault to what Kanye did with fake wax dolls. To give you a better example, it's like making a fake nude model of a person. Will the person not like it? Maybe. But it's just art. It's not real.
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[1] Did you completely skip over the objectification, consent and sexual harassment points i made? Yes, we can all agree gender equality is needed with nudity, but that's not what his is about.
[2]Stop playing. You think after all this they have been feuding about, she actually approved this? I'm not even going down that road of stupidity. And yes it is different. Honey this can be illegal. Taylor could sue for this, because the creator has shared the image publically. Just like you can take legal action if p*rn stars parody you, or try to imitate you. It comes under illegal p*rnographic representation. Again, do you think Taylor consents to these images? Should that not be taken into account? Or does people photoshopping her naked not matter over her civil rights?
Sexual objectification is the act of treating a person as an instrument of sexual pleasure. Objectification more broadly means treating a person as a commodity or an object without regard to their personality or dignity.
Him using just a naked wax figure of her body would be the objectification.
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"Men and Women aren't on the same playing field, but the more you see a naked woman, the more normal it will become correct?" No not correct. At all actually. You think that's how easy it is? Women have been broadcasted naked since the beginning of time from literature and art to television and various media. Does sexism still exist? Does the double standard still exist? Yes. Why? Because of the WAY they are portrayed. Sexualised, fetishsised, degraded etc. Men depict women naked more than women do, and they do it differently. You think in a music video when you have the clothed rapper and 10 naked women around him, that's helping gender equality? Men will see the women as equal, and not sexual objects? They may have consented to it, but the portrayal isn't doing anything for equal rights. People aren't afraid of naked women, they're afraid of female empowerment. We live in a patriarchal society. The double standard exists, and it's only perpetuated by people like Kanye West. People who like Kanye do NOT like Taylor. He's claimed her. He "made her famous". And now he's making her naked. No choice. That's rape culture. That's not helping ANYBODY. No-one is benefiting from this. Everyone who watches this video has seen boobs before, and will still think of this as Kanye "winning" in the Taylor beef.
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The more often you see it, the more normal it gets, that's how society works. Oh really? Is that how society simply works? How fickle do you have to be to think this? The WAY something is portrayed is what helps normalize issues, in a HEALTHY and PRODUCTIVE way. As stated before, it's more than just showing breasts. This video isn't about female empowerment just because both men and women are showing nipples. Do you not know ANYTHING about feminism? What WOMEN are fighting for? How THEY view the issue of objectification, rape culture, sexual harassment, sexualisation of females? Or do you think they haven't actually clocked that they need to just "show breasts".
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Will the person not like it? Maybe" You just answered your own goddamn question. It doesn't matter what the artist thinks, out of respect - you would ask the person, ESPECIALLY if you're showing it publically. If the person doesn't like it, that doesn't make it okay. You can't argue with them and tell them it's your artistic right to portray something they CHOOSE to keep private. Taylor is on a platform and has the right to be offended, since he's using her NAME and HER visual representation in a very unsettling context.
Like i "clocked" you before, this video clearly foreshadows his power he feels he has over her. You can be simple minded and just continue to argue "But it's helping women be topless dur dur dur". How can Taylor or ANYONE respect him showing her nude, when he has no respect for her in the first place? I love how you're so "sure" none of these women will have a problem with this. It explains why you're so uninformed about the actual issues you view as "dumb" - because they don't affect you. Ignorant ass.