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Discussion: U.S. Election 2016: Primary Season
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Tonight just proved again for the 1000th time why Hillary deserves & will win the nomination, and later the presidency.
If I hear Bernie try to connect Wall Street and the Top 1% to one more political issue, I'll cut my eyes out myself. 
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Originally posted by King Maxx
Tonight just proved again for the 1000th time why Hillary deserves & will win the nomination, and later the presidency.
If I hear Bernie try to connect Wall Street and the Top 1% to one more political issue, I'll cut my eyes out myself. |
That's one thing CNN grilled him for. He kept connecting everything back to his roots (they said he kept trying to inject climate change during foreign policy lol)
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
They're saying Bernie won the debate. It's surreal. |
Online polls don't count if that's what you're referring to, neither do Facebook and Tumblr. Bernie has a strong online fan base due to his strong support from millennials, who are the most prominent online age group.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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I really want to know what the younger generation sees in Bernie. Like what is he saying that attracts them?
I'm 17 (will be 18 in April), and I don't feel the connection. I'm for Hillary, and it's strictly for political reasons because Bernie seems more genuinely concerned for our generation yet I just don't see it as a smart move right after Obama's administration. Def a possibility to have someone like him 12-20 years from now.
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Member Since: 8/7/2015
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Originally posted by Bloo
Online polls don't count if that's what you're referring to, neither do Facebook and Tumblr. Bernie has a strong online fan base due to his strong support from millennials, who are the most prominent online age group.
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Ddd, I'm not your obsessed Bernie fan. I know all about his strong online following and voting polls domination since the first debate (though I'm not sure how you can factor in facebook, like I thought people only follow family members and friends on there  )
I'm looking at articles and what they're saying on the news.
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Member Since: 7/21/2012
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Originally posted by Dessy Fenix
Ddd, I'm not your obsessed Bernie fan. I know all about his strong online following and voting polls domination since the first debate (though I'm not sure how you can factor in facebook, like I thought people only follow family members and friends on there )
I'm looking at articles and what they're saying on the news. |
Well a lot are saying it's Hillary who won. It's a tie for now I guess (like this whole cycle right now tbh). It can go anywhere for the caucus/primary. I just hope the people who are going for Bernie have a realization they want Hillary.
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Current Democratic Delegates, Most Recent Polling
Needed to Win: ~2233
State / Hillary / Bernie
TOTAL / 2311 / 905
Superdelegates / 359 / 11
Iowa / 21 / 19
New Hampshire / 11 / 12
Nevada / 19 / 12
South Carolina / 35 / 14
Georgia / 77 / 17
Massachusetts / 62 / 30
Minnesota / 45 / 29
Texas / 138 / 68
Virginia / 63 / 27
Alabama / 0 / 0
American Samoa / 0 / 0
Arkansas / 0 / 0
Colorado / 44 / 19
Oklahoma / 29 / 7
Tennessee / 0 / 0
Vermont / 0 / 0
Louisiana / 47 / 6
Nebraska / 0 / 0
Kansas / 0 / 0
Maine / 0 / 0
Mississippi / 0 / 0
Michigan / 82 / 51
Florida / 148 / 51
Illinois / 110 / 42
Missouri / 48 / 23
North Carolina / 71 / 25
Ohio / 100 / 48
Arizona / 44 / 18
Idaho / 0 / 0
Utah / 0 / 0
Alaska / 0 / 0
Hawaii / 0 / 0
Washington / 0 / 0
North Dakota / 0 / 0
Wisconsin / 42 / 35
Wyoming / 0 / 0
New York / 178 / 49
Maryland / 52 / 22
Connecticut / 28 / 18
Delaware / 0 / 0
Pennsylvania / 119 / 41
Rhode Island / 0 / 0
Indiana / 0 / 0
Guam / 0 / 0
West Virginia / 0 / 0
Kentucky / 37 / 8
Oregon / 0 / 0
Virgin Islands / 0 / 0
Puerto Rico / 0 / 0
California / 227 / 173
Montana / 0 / 0
New Jersey / 76 / 32
New Mexico / 0 / 0
South Dakota / 0 / 0
DC / 0 / 0
Marianas / 0 / 0
If both are zero, there are no RealClearPolitics or HuffPost Pollster listings for the state or area.
Chronological order.
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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The only thing I have to say about that is...if Sanders wins both Iowa and New Hampshire it could inspire others states to now think about Bernie a bit more
I doubt it'll happen as Sanders is no Obama but with how strong his base is...could be possible. And that would change your numbers.
Still don't think Bernie will win as I've always said but I don't want to be comfortable yet
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I really want to know what the younger generation sees in Bernie. Like what is he saying that attracts them?
I'm 17 (will be 18 in April), and I don't feel the connection. I'm for Hillary, and it's strictly for political reasons because Bernie seems more genuinely concerned for our generation yet I just don't see it as a smart move right after Obama's administration. Def a possibility to have someone like him 12-20 years from now.
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It's more of an 'great ideas and hope' thing + a sense of a real and honest politican + internet culture. On a more objective level, Hillary does make more sense to be in the white house however.
Personally, my views are just rather far left on the political spectrum and Sanders just happen to fit the bill almost exactly.(Also the green party is nonexistent  )
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by King Maxx
I really want to know what the younger generation sees in Bernie. Like what is he saying that attracts them?
I'm 17 (will be 18 in April), and I don't feel the connection. I'm for Hillary, and it's strictly for political reasons because Bernie seems more genuinely concerned for our generation yet I just don't see it as a smart move right after Obama's administration. Def a possibility to have someone like him 12-20 years from now.
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Bernie is inspiring because he doesn't come off as jaded. What I mean by that is that Hillary proposes ideas that are more realistic; but realism isn't the most inspiring or desiring option. So, younger, less politically aware (not saying younger voters are stupid, but they are growing into politics so they are more naïve on average). Bernie proposes ideas that, in my opinion, would be amazing to happen if we lived in a perfect world... but we don't. And that's the core issue, I feel like. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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I though Sanders was best for me for a while, but I realized that personally he fits my ideal situation more than he fits what I see to be our reality right now and how to really move forward.
I want what Bernie wants for the most part and I love his ideals and I'm probably a lot more of a democratic socialist than anything else.
Also, I was a huge Hill fanboy before the two months or so I loved Bernie, so again, I'm biased probably. 
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Originally posted by RatedG²
The only thing I have to say about that is...if Sanders wins both Iowa and New Hampshire it could inspire others states to now think about Bernie a bit more
I doubt it'll happen as Sanders is no Obama but with how strong his base is...could be possible. And that would change your numbers.
Still don't think Bernie will win as I've always said but I don't want to be comfortable yet
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Definitely - this is just a projection and it could change a lot!
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Member Since: 8/3/2010
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Bernie is more trustworthy, period. That's why his supporters love him. It all comes down to him being genuine, something Hillary is not (all of the time). As a Hill stan I can concede that.
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Member Since: 6/29/2012
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There is no way Bernie can pull off half the things he says if he reaches the white house, especially with a republican controlled congress. Please can a Bernie stan tell me how on earth is he going to take down wall street?? It will be impossible. Taking down wall street would be a process that could take decades to diminish.
^^This is just one of the issues he promises.
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Originally posted by Jan
Bernie Sanders
Hillary Clinton
all the other Democrats
still, the Republican candidates aren't great either. |
Sure, Jan.
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Member Since: 5/12/2012
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Originally posted by RatedG²
Bernie is more trustworthy, period. That's why his supporters love him. It all comes down to him being genuine, something Hillary is not (all of the time). As a Hill stan I can concede that.
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I disagree, somewhat, to the first sentence. Bernie comes off as more trustworthy. A politician is a politician.
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Ultimately, I think the issue is whether you want a trustworthy (to an extent) and passionate person, or an experienced (in terms of the White House) and slightly more moderate practical person. Will America benefit more from having positive ideals and guiding itself toward a certain set of primarily economic and social goals, or is it going to benefit more from a slower change that builds on Obama's legacy and is perhaps more mindful of non-economy issues?
There's not a right or wrong, there's just opinion.
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Originally posted by rivers
There is no way Bernie can pull off half the things he says if he reaches the white house, especially with a republican controlled congress. Please can a Bernie stan tell me how on earth is he going to take down wall street?? It will be impossible. Taking down wall street would be a process that could take decades to diminish.
^^This is just one of the issues he promises. |
This. When Bernie's asked how he would go about doing it, he simply states he will make it happen. The only way you could easily break them up is if they were a monopoly... Which isn't the case.
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Member Since: 6/25/2010
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I hope Martin O'Malley runs again in ~8 years. I feel he comes off very well in debates, but he's just kinda there atm.
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Like I said a couple days ago, "breaking up the banks" isn't going to happen. Even if he managed to pass legislation that did it, splitting the largest banks several times over would still leave them economically risky as institutions, and would ultimately not be as beneficial as Bernie suggests.
I also don't really think his focus on campaign finance makes much sense. I agree it's a little bit of an issue, but I question whether it's really significant enough to be a main point, much less the main focus of a Presidential platform (his manager confirmed tonight in an interview that it and the wage gap are the campaign's primary focus).
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