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Chart Listings: Billboard Charts (January 3-10, 2016)
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I don't get why radio is still used to consume music when there are so many other options with technology these days. shrugs.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
No, due to the fact that streaming has become more popular and pure sales are down, the significance of outreach to those who actually buy music is perpetuated beyond belief. The 25% influence radio has on Billboard is probably more significant than ever before. Radio knows when to play certain songs to increase pure sales; likewise, they know when to play songs that will appeal to certain demographics. This is done through decades of primary and secondary research.
Maybe Payola isn't the right word, but there is undoubted corruption within the Radio segment of consumption.
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So you think there is a clear cut between people who use streaming services and people who buy music? Hmmmmm maybe, but there surely are also people who discover new music with free Spotify and then buy stuff they like.
Also surely in this age the radio importance is down compared to the 90s or whatever. There are so many ways to discover music today. Radio is still super important and way #1 for a lot of people, but it certainly is down.
Switching it up between songs you artificially push for whatever reason and stuff your audience likes is clearly to way to go, if you go that route, but then like I said the impact it actually has can't be that high.
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Originally posted by Kots
Well, OOTW is and will be getting huge updates despite its lackluster sales and streaming performance so far, for instance. That's not payola though, it's just because of Taylor's radio power. It's the same reason songs like Photograph or Style performed very well on radio: they simply sound good and people wanna hear them  |
OOTW's first callout scores better be good or great. If they are not I'm really scared about it's future performance. 
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Originally posted by simmnfierzig
So you think there is a clear cut between people who use streaming services and people who buy music? Hmmmmm maybe, but there surely are also people who discover new music with free Spotify and then buy stuff they like.
Also surely in this age the radio importance is down compared to the 90s or whatever. There are so many ways to discover music today. Radio is still super important and way #1 for a lot of people, but it certainly is down.
Switching it up between songs you artificially push for whatever reason and stuff your audience likes is clearly to way to go, if you go that route, but then like I said the impact it actually has can't be that high.
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You've missed my point too. Read again please.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
You've missed my point too. Read again please.
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I've read it 10 times and that was the best I could come up with
If that's not what you said, then I have no idea what you said.
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Originally posted by iHype.
Can you post a link to prove this or did you just decide this story seemed real?
'Corruption' has always existed in the music industry, and it's arguably the lowest it's ever been.
But besides that, radio has always counted on the Hot 100, since inception in 1958. It's clear that not only Billboard views it as an accurate way of measuring the most known songs in America, but the music industry agrees it's a proper measurement, and that's all that matters.
What people on ATRL think happens on radio and why they dislike it at the end of the day doesn't change it'll remain in the formula.
Tbh, I noticed almost everyone who dislikes radio in the formula isn't from America. Radio is simply a huge outlet of music consumption here, it's unique from any other country in the sense there is thousands of radio stations, almost every genre has radio, and it's used by nearly everyone. If you were to go around asking random Americans how they consume music almost all would say radio, and most would agree it's how they are aware of music.
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People really need to stop jumping in conversations. I've already had a debate with 3 people over this.
Do you think it's fair that Beyoncé who doesn't play the game the way radio stations want her to, gets a lower position on Billboard than she deserves due to being blacklisted by certain radio stations? It's unjust and unfair. But that's another issue with radio that could go on forever.
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I've read it 10 times and that was the best I could come up with
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Your first line indicates that you are very far off my point.
Anyway, the bottom line is that radio is corrupt, as is most of the music industry. Billboard, programmers and broadcasters, and record labels all have a mutually beneficial relationship. Is there anyone who disagrees with this? Because that's the starting point to the whole argument.
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If you're against radio because it can be corrupted / messed with by the industry, then it's not a valid argument. Everything in the formula for Hot 100 has been messed with by the industry. 
Billboard posted an article last year on labels now paying top playlists on Spotify to put their new songs from artists in the playlist to do well on Streaming.
+ there was an expose in another country that the music industry knew how to pay someone to buy enough copies to make a song go #1 on iTunes there.
Why not be against Streaming and Sales either? Anything can be manipulated, that's just the music industry. If you think it's just limited to radio then lol.
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Originally posted by Cap10Planet
I don't get why radio is still used to consume music when there are so many other options with technology these days. shrugs.
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I'm still one of those who likes listening to the radio in the car. I have my CHR station, Hot AC, AC, 80's, and classic rock.
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
Your first line indicates that you are very far off my point.
Anyway, the bottom line is that radio is corrupt, as is most of the music industry. Billboard, programmers and broadcasters, and record labels all have a mutually beneficial relationship. Is there anyone who disagrees with this? Because that's the starting point to the whole argument.
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I have no idea why you think radio is today more important than it ever was. So I assumed that you think people who stream music don't buy music and radio reaches and can manipulate all of the remaining people who still buy music. That's still the only way I can put some logic into that.
They have relationships and in some parts the same interests, but also in other parts completely different interests. I agree to a certain degree.
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This is the problem with people just jumping in to a conversation mid-way through I clearly said the entire music industry is corrupt, with radio being at the forefront of this corruption, due to the bribery and nepotism experienced.
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Originally posted by spree
I'm still one of those who likes listening to the radio in the car. I have my CHR station, Hot AC, AC, 80's, and classic rock.
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I'm one of those folks who don't hear a good bit of the top hits unless I decide to search for it to see what the hoopla is about. That's not to say I don't ever listen to the radio, but I found myself listening to it less over the years when technology advanced.
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Originally posted by simmnfierzig
I have no idea why you think radio is today more important than it ever was. So I assumed that you think people who stream music don't buy music and radio reaches and can manipulate all of the remaining people who still buy music. That's still the only way I can put some logic into that.
They have relationships and in some parts the same interests, but also in other parts completely different interests. I agree to a certain degree.
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No, but you're getting warmer 
Radio's know what time or day to play a certain song for said song to experience a boost in pure sales. There is no clear distinction between those who stream or buy music, but they do know when to play a song to get the most pure sales out of it as they possibly can. Record labels will pay radio stations to play certain songs at certain times to certain demographics to increase sales, whilst simultaneously increasing the said artists' Billboard position.
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It's a public forum and a public thread... someone can respond in a thread to a post if they want. This isn't a wall post or personal message. Like you haven't jumped in a conversation and voiced your opinion before?...
**** outta here with that lol.
Getting rid of radio won't stop any of these problems so moot point. 
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Again the radio conversation thing, 
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Originally posted by Bey Admired
No, but you're getting warmer
Radio's know what time or day to play a certain song for said song to experience a boost in pure sales. There is no clear distinction between those who stream or buy music, but they do know when to play a song to get the most pure sales out of it as they possibly can. Record labels will pay radio stations to play certain songs at certain times to certain demographics to increase sales, whilst simultaneously increasing the said artists' Billboard position. |
Well those are technicalities for the execution of payola. Before that still stands the question if it really exists in 2016 and to what extent it exists.
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Originally posted by iHype.
It's a public forum and a public thread... someone can respond in a thread to a post if they want. This isn't a wall post or personal message. Like you haven't jumped in a conversation and voiced your opinion before?...
**** outta here with that lol.
Getting rid of radio won't stop any of these problems so moot point.
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Unnecessarily abrasive.
And again, I can see you just randomly jumped in the conversation without reading through the discussion first. No one is suggesting the idea of getting 'rid of radio', that would be stupid.
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Radio is corrupt. Every single label for every single song uses payola to push their artists. Including Adele and Taylor. Airplay is by far the worst indicator for what is truly popular because once theres an interest in a song they overplay it till its had 5 weeks at #1.
I agree with Bey Admired that it should only have 10% if even that on the hot 100. Streaming & Sales are a way bigger indicator of what is truly hot each week.
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Originally posted by FAN
Radio is corrupt. Every single label for every single song uses payola to push their artists. Including Adele and Taylor. Airplay is by far the worst indicator for what is truly popular because once theres an interest in a song they overplay it till its had 5 weeks at #1.
I agree with Bey Admired that it should only have 10% if even that on the hot 100. Streaming & Sales are a way bigger indicator of what is truly hot each week.
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This is a blatant, almost laughable exaggeration.
I hope you realize that only 2 out of the 21 pop radio #1s this year stayed there for 5 weeks.
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Originally posted by FAN
Radio is corrupt. Every single label for every single song uses payola to push their artists. Including Adele and Taylor. Airplay is by far the worst indicator for what is truly popular because once theres an interest in a song they overplay it till its had 5 weeks at #1.
I agree with Bey Admired that it should only have 10% if even that on the hot 100. Streaming & Sales are a way bigger indicator of what is truly hot each week.
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Thanks. I'm glad you can see the truth.
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