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Discussion: Janet vs Madonna, Beyonce vs Lady GaGa
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Control was nominated for AOTY.
I do think Beyonce has more respect from Grammy voters --- her peers, but critical respect during both primes go to Janet. Too bad her latest material has been terrible.
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Bye, we dont even know if Beyonce is truly in her prime yet. Beyonce already has more awards than Janet could ever dream of. Beyonce is already ahead of Janet on EVERY SINGLE All Time list there is for every publication that matters. And Crazy In Love is more critically acclaimed than any single song Janet has ever released.
Now tell me what's really good?
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Beyonce is the MOST versatile Artist Today, singing from the White House, To the Grammys to performing at the Oscars more than once and went on the become the First Singer in HISTORY to perform all the songs of the Night
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
Exactly. I won't get into all the factors that played into that little incident.
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Hell you think if Beyonce and Rihanna popped up on stage at the BET Awards and kissed Janet their asses wouldn't have been bashed by any and everyone?
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Originally posted by jcsfreebitch
I am sorry, but I am pretty sure gays have it harder nowadays than blacks do. Gays are STILL fighting for their rights when blacks have all equal rights. I think saying being black is still really tough nowadays is a little selfish...
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What a ridiculous statement.
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Originally posted by GeezusHaberdash
I'd say that Janet has Control and Rhythm Nation over Beyonce in terms of respect pre-Nipplegate. And like Da Beez stated, Janet rose to fame in a different time period where things were [slightly] different.
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Yeah, it was completely different time period.
And I wouldn't use the Grammys as a basis for argument. In that era, there were far less categories and more (exceptional) artists competing for the awards. It's almost like comparing Janet's sales to Beyonce's. It's not that fair.
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Originally posted by Captain Planet
"You Give Good Love" is my song, but "One Moment in Time" is terrible sap. "Where Do Broken Hearts Go" (or whatever song was called) is terrible, too. I'm glad Whitney (and Mariah) left that MOR stuff in the early 90s. That's probably my issue with Celine --- she has been doing the same stuff over and over.
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Okay, what would be your Whitney top ten?
1) Million Dollar Bill
2) How Will I Know
3) It's Not Right (But It's OK)
4) You Give Good Love
5) I Wanna Run to You
6) All at Once
7) One Moment in Time
8) I Wanna Dance with Somebody
9) I Have Nothing
10) Love Will Save the Day
I am generally not here for anything else.
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Originally posted by jcsfreebitch
I am sorry, but I am pretty sure gays have it harder nowadays than blacks do. Gays are STILL fighting for their rights when blacks have all equal rights. I think saying being black is still really tough nowadays is a little selfish...
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We weren't talking about gays though. Their fight is apparent and beyond the point. We are talking about blacks, don't get a scared and change the subject now.
And the delusion in your statements...are just beyond comprehensible.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Funnily enough, if I HAD to put together a list of my top ten Whitney singles, most of them would come from 85-89. Her voice was like a monument then, and to hear her take songs like You Give Good Love or One Moment in Time - songs that are actually bad - and transform them into something semi-worthwhile is thrilling.
It still doesn't beat what she accomplished with Million Dollar Bill - that was truly impressive.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
No she wouldn't. You know as well as I do that a certain segment of the population always considered Janet to be in Michael and/or Madonna's shadow. Beyonce is in NO ONE's shadow.
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So? More reason for her to get bashed.
P.S. to people bringing up the race card Madonna wouldn't have gotten blacklisted for whipping out her titty because she has already done other stuff almost like it. Janet had never had such a public controversy before; Michael had always been the one with the problems and she was supposed to be the normal Jackson. If Britney Spears was performing with JT at the Super Bowl and exposed herself she would have gotten just as much **** as Janet.
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Originally posted by jcsfreebitch
I am sorry, but I am pretty sure gays have it harder nowadays than blacks do. Gays are STILL fighting for their rights when blacks have all equal rights. I think saying being black is still really tough nowadays is a little selfish...
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Given the rights to be treated equally doesn't automatically make everything equal.
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Originally posted by Satellites
Bye, we dont even know if Beyonce is truly in her prime yet. Beyonce already has more awards than Janet could ever dream of. Beyonce is already ahead of Janet on EVERY SINGLE All Time list there is for every publication that matters. And Crazy In Love is more critically acclaimed than any single song Janet has ever released.
Now tell me what's really good?
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You do know that Janet has hundreds of accolades and awards. She is one of the most awarded artists EVER. Janet has made plenty of best of critical acclaim lists. Janet is more known for albums, not her singles. Sorta like Madonna.
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Originally posted by Hi.Ðefinitiøn
What a ridiculous statement.
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Is that gorl serious? Ch.......
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Well it's True if Beyonce, Alicia Keys or Rihanna did half of what Madonna did or what Gaga is doing it wouldn't fly
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Eli and Geez - i mean, Beyonce IS the popstar that is considered cool and, if I'm allowed, "essential" to like. Old, young, white, black, gay, straight, man, woman, pop, hip-hop, rock, indie - everybody likes her.
Janet has never had that appeal.
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Originally posted by Satellites
Hell you think if Beyonce and Rihanna popped up on stage at the BET Awards and kissed Janet their asses wouldn't have been bashed by any and everyone?
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EBT ain't having all at.
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Member Since: 8/22/2009
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Originally posted by Da beezness!
Janet was born at the wrong time IMO. But I find it shocking when Beyonce has to fight her lacefront off so she can remain superior to Gaga when it comes to relevancy. Gaga's coming for her 10 000$ wig while being susbtantially less talented than her and it drives me nuts.
Do you think a black bitch could sell as much tour tickets as Britney's Spears while performing that badly at the same time.
There is a double standards. It faded compared to before but it's still there and it makes me mad.
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Exactly, Lady Gaga comes out the ****ing blue and snatches 8 VMA's with her first album when Rihanna and Beyonce had to work their asses off to even be nominated for Video Of The Year. WHY??? Why does the media cover Rihanna every which way when she gets her ass beat but when shes doing well no one wants her? Why is Lady Gaga covering Rolling Stone twice in the USA when Rihanna hasn't even gotten one? The truth is the truth and it will be spilled on my time.
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Originally posted by Ace Reject
Eli and Geez - i mean, Beyonce IS the popstar that is considered cool and, if I'm allowed, "essential" to like. Old, young, white, black, gay, straight, man, woman, pop, hip-hop, rock, indie - everybody likes her.
Janet has never had that appeal.
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That is true.
Hmm...
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Originally posted by jcsfreebitch
I am sorry, but I am pretty sure gays have it harder nowadays than blacks do. Gays are STILL fighting for their rights when blacks have all equal rights. I think saying being black is still really tough nowadays is a little selfish...
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Ew, I'm not black but it's pretty damn obvious that 'real' equality has still not been accomplished. Go into any 'nice' neighborhood and count how many black families there are vs. white families. Black people have been able to permeate the very upper crust of society (people like Beyonce/Jay-Z and Oprah), but they haven't found that everyday upper-middle-class luxury that had been some common among white people before the recession. Black people are on the extreme edges of society, still, when they should be assimilated into the middle.
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Originally posted by Da beezness!
Is that gorl serious? Ch.......
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Yes, I am serious. I am NOT denying that black people still do face discrimination even to this day, I am just saying overall I think the struggle for being treated equally is greater for gay people as it is to blacks.
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So the question is: do you prefer the provocateur, or the low-profile singer?
When it comes to actresses, I've always favored low-profile (like Streep) because if you know too much about their lives and they're in the spotlight too much, you can't buy them as different characters. You can't be watching the movie and associating them with their off-screen image.
For singers, I'm more drawn to larger-than-life, outlandish theatrics and provocation, because it doesn't affect their work the way that it does an actress. This is why I'm drawn to Gaga the most. That said, there is something admirably Streep-like about Beyonce's lack of scandals and meltdowns, as well as her focus. Not to mention her awards.
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