[Blue Honeymoon]

Originally posted by Penny.

so the woman should be forced to have a baby she doesnt want who will either live a life being an unwanted child or end up in a bunch of terrible foster care homes?

Well, I think human sexual activity is a right, but a right that should be treated with responsibility (as any other right).And I also believe that every heathy, consenting, woman OR man (older than 16) is fully aware of the consequences their acts could have.

So, any individual who wants to engage in sexual intercourse, but doesn't want a baby, should find ways to protect themselves and prevent a pregnancy.

So, if a woman ends up pregnant because she and her partner were care-free and irresponsible, then they should be forced to have the child (who deserves to live as much as any of us),a nd raise him/her with love and respect. (If the really can't love the child, then give him/her in adoption, even if it's not the happiest scenario)

Note that I mention BOTH genders. Males already have to pay child maintenance even if they didn't wanted the kids in the first place, so I think this should apply with females that get pregnant IF they were irresponsible, especially if the father does wants the baby.

[Retro]

Pro-choice because I don't have a uterus and can't dictate what a person does with their uterus?

Cisgender men really have no standing to be pro-life, sorry! I've done research on the topic and the psychological impact of abortion on the person who contributed the sperm is ridiculously minimal compared to that on the person who carries the child, so like, yeah.

[Penny.]

Originally posted by Beautiful Liar

How about the father?

it isnt his body nor his life nor his business

[Abyssy]

Pro-choice. You can't force women to have children they don't want/aren't capable of looking after.



xox

[Troye]

Also, I want to point out that the anti-abortion attitude is ridiculous.

They will STILL happen and in states/countries where legal abortions are being outlawed / underfunded, it means women will go places where it's a huge risk their health. Don't even start on your ideals when you fail to provide solutions that are viable for the woman's health, finances and choice; other than the child must live. Even then none of you say how you would provide a safe and loving home for said kid and as a result, that kid may end up homeless, poor, abused or worse.

Failing to yet address the core problem in an effort to uphold a hypocritical religious stance is par for the course, I guess.

[Guernica]

I struggle with several mental health issues, that were/are passed down genetically. so if I had a biological child, there is a strong possibility they would be affected with the same problems. which is why I have taken a stance of never having bio kids because I don't want to put an innocent person through what I've been through. but according to pro lifer's, I'd be selfish and should be forced to pop out that kid anyways, knowing full well they'd suffer with mental health for their whole life. but I guess that's not selfish to put someone through that in the name of "saving the children"?

[Beautiful Liar]

whats the difference between pro choice and pro life? Because some of ya seem to confuse about it

[Dessy Fenix]

I'm pro-choice but I believe it shouldn't be allowed after a certain point and under certain circumstances.

[gagaskeletonway]

Pro-life, but I of course understand that there are some situations when aborting would be acceptable, morally talking, that's why I don't support any law that prohibits abortion. I simply think it's a moral value that we all should have.

I will speak, for instance, about my country: 2M abortions in 10 years. How is that even possible? 2 million babies killed? I can assure you that not even half of those abortions were performed because the woman was raped or she was in danger. It's called irresponsibility.

And people saying "I'm a male, it's not my business", how the f*ck is not your business? As if men could not be fathers and could not have responsibilities

[KareBear]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Nah I was just commenting on how people are fighting already

Umm I don't care about women getting an abortion. They can have it. It's only after a certain point where I think it shouldn't be given unless the mother's life is in danger, other health issues, rape, or incest. So I support abortions fully until the fetus becomes viable. That's why I'm pro life

Umm..... pretty sure that makes you pro choice
Most pro choice people dont believe in abortions after viability unless in special circumstances

[The Unforgiving]

Originally posted by KareBear

Infertile couples are not owed a child. Women who are able to have children owe them nothing. Not to mention they could adopt the hundreds of thousands of kids who need homes but even though they want children they prefer a new fresh one. Also do you know the definition of murder? Abortion is not murder. Just like killing in self defense is not murder.

So taking the life of a defenseless child is not defined as murder?
There are multiple ways to adopt or raise a child, but that wasn't my point. Giving birth to a baby=/= being a mother.

Originally posted by Penny.

so is bacteria
so you are a murderer

Gurl wyd
Comparing human beings to bacteria is irrelevant

[DivaDown]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Pro life. May not be many of people like me on ATRL but yes I am pro life

I am pro-life also.

The only instances I feel it's ok are rape, incest or the mother's life is in jeopardy by carrying the child full-term.

[Retro]

Originally posted by The Unforgiving

So taking the life of a defenseless child is not defined as murder?

Sure it is!

But terminating an in-progress pregnancy is not.

[RatedG²]

Originally posted by KareBear

Umm..... pretty sure that makes you pro choice
Most pro choice people dont believe in abortions after viability unless in special circumstances

Wait does that make me pro choice? .

I had it all wrong my whole life then when people asked I always said pro life...

[Beautiful Liar]

Originally posted by Abyssy

Pro-choice. You can't force women to have children they don't want/aren't capable of looking after.



xox

But how about the father? If he wants it and she wants to abort in places like China he has the right to keep it as long as her health isn't affected

[Chanel4]

Originally posted by Penny.

you would have to be uneducated to want to force women to have a child they do not want, can not/will not care for
not only does it ruin the woman's life but also the child's life
plus it costs taxpayers more money, helps out overpopulation problem etc

There are to many cons to mention. That people still try to neglect it is still beyond me.
If only you somehow could only let women vote and speak on this issue. I truly think that would make the arguments more valid from each side and make the law more adjustable to the womans needs. idk...i hope im makin sense

[Retro]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Wait does that make me pro choice? .

I had it all wrong my whole life then when people asked I always said pro life...

The terminology is yours to choose, but conventionally you'd be regarded as pro-choice if you think that abortion is a reasonable option at any point.

[Bitchcraft]

Pro-choice. Anyone calling "murder" can literally kiss my ass.

I had to do a speech about this in 10th grade and I was shocked at how many people were just disgusted at the pro-life stance. 'was pretty tragic.

[Penny.]

Originally posted by Blue Honeymoon

Well, I think human sexual activity is a right, but a right that should be treated with responsibility (as any other right).And I also believe that every heathy, consenting, woman OR man (older than 16) is fully aware of the consequences their acts could have.

So, any individual who wants to engage in sexual intercourse, but doesn't want a baby, should find ways to protect themselves and prevent a pregnancy.

So, if a woman ends up pregnant because she and her partner were care-free and irresponsible, then they should be forced to have the child (who deserves to live as much as any of us),a nd raise him/her with love and respect.

Note that I mention BOTH genders. Males already have to pay child maintenance even if they didn't wanted the kids in the first place, so I think this should apply with females that get pregnant IF they were irresponsible, especially if the father does wants the baby.

you must live in a very different world than i live in if you actually believe that forcing a woman to have a baby means she will raise it along with the man full of love & respect
unwanted children do not live happy lives filled with love & respect
so if youre going to voice your opinion on something at least have some idea of wtf youre talking about

[Troye]

Originally posted by RatedG²

Wait does that make me pro choice? .

I had it all wrong my whole life then when people asked I always said pro life...

Monte, sis, you're a mess.