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Poll: Most impactful black female artist of the last 40 years?
View Poll Results: Who?
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Aaliyah
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18 |
6.32% |
Mariah
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85 |
29.82% |
Whitney
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145 |
50.88% |
Beyonce
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111 |
38.95% |
Rihanna
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64 |
22.46% |
Janet
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85 |
29.82% |
TLC
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15 |
5.26% |
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Originally posted by Pristine
what ATRL twinks dont understand is if this was a black forum you would be LAUGHED out of it for saying Whitney had any impact on black music. She was largely considered an Oreo and would come last on this poll if it was a black forum.
Also some of you (Shinning) still need to Google "impact"
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Literally every black musician has named Whitney as an influence and she's highly respected in the black community. And she's had far more impact than Mariah
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Whitney
Donna
Janet
Beyonce
Rihanna
Mariah
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i voted for everyone on that list sans Aaliyah and TLC (they are obviously among my favorite artists but not on the level as everyone else)
if there is only one correct answer, it's Mariah followed closely by Whitney. but they all have enormous and amazing impact, lets be really real
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Out of the poll options, there's no way to completely determine an answer as the contributions of each of the artists in the poll are different, thus allowing their impact to coexist.
Looking at the list, you can knock out Aaliyah, who stands as a testament of Janet's template. Mariah can be axed as Whitney is right there. Beyonce's impact isn't as significant as the legends before her, specifically Whitney and Janet. Rihanna just has hits, and TLC was the product of a trend.
That leaves Whitney and Janet. To keep it short, they both have impacted the world similarly, but differently. Their chart success and record sales are unprecedented for Black women at that time, but you HEAR Whitney's impact. You SEE Janet's. Apples and oranges. The parallels aren't similar. Comparing them only leads nowhere.
A case could be made for Donna Summer, simply because she incorporated a bit of all the others. Not only did she define an era, but she combined musical innovation and progression with a pop and international appeal. And with a near virtuosic voice and presence, she combined voice, dance, and staging into live shows redefining the live performance and visual extension of music. This template was borrowed from by artists like Janet, MJ, Madonna, Diana, Whitney, and many other pop stars who followed her.
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Originally posted by Pristine
Impact has nothing to do with whether you know the artists songs or not. This is something ATRL continues to fail to understand. Impact is influence on future trends. Whitney set ZERO trends lbr. Janet, Mariah, Bey and Rih all set FAR more than her.
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Another person who is loud and wrong. Whitney Houston single-handedly revitalized the power ballad, the diva image and completely changed the way people sang for the past three decades. And they are still drawing from her vocal style, musical style and image today.
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Originally posted by Pristine
what ATRL twinks dont understand is if this was a black forum you would be LAUGHED out of it for saying Whitney had any impact on black music. She was largely considered an Oreo and would come last on this poll if it was a black forum.
Also some of you (Shinning) still need to Google "impact"
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Whitney was criticized for "selling out". However, none of her critics ever claimed that she had no impact on black music. All that Googling you did and you still came up empty. Sit down.
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Originally posted by Pristine
this.
Why is ATRL saying Whitney? All she did was put big vocals on generic ballads?
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This only illustrates your ignorance of Whitney and everything associated with her.
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Originally posted by Pristine
Impact has nothing to do with whether you know the artists songs or not. This is something ATRL continues to fail to understand. Impact is influence on future trends. Whitney set ZERO trends lbr. Janet, Mariah, Bey and Rih all set FAR more than her.
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And "impact" and "influence" are not mutually exclusive, which is something ppl like you, and an overwhelming majority of ATRL, continues to fail to understand. "Impact" signifies an immediate change in perceptions, concepts, or the progression/evolution of the landscape of music. "Influence" is the long-term effects of a work of art. In context of the conversation, the output of an artist's work. Whitney IMPACTED the world because as dance music was taking over the 80s, she brought back soaring power ballads and rekindled the vocal school. Artists saw power ballads as a means of achieving hits. Songs like "Love Will Bring You Back", "I Still Believe", and others were obviously written with the intent of Whitney singing them. The INFLUENCE of Whitney's impact is how ballads were sung (various musical ideas like inflections, runs, interpretation, etc.) and how the music was structured (key changes, chord progression, time signature, etc.).
LOL @ Beyonce setting more trends than Whitney, when she only takes what's out there and puts her own spin on it. And Rihanna is so much of a trend follower her next album might as well be called "Caboose". Mariah setting trends? I hope you're not talking about "Fantasy", R&B acts had been collaborating with rappers long before Mariah even released an album.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Pristine
what ATRL twinks dont understand is if this was a black forum you would be LAUGHED out of it for saying Whitney had any impact on black music. She was largely considered an Oreo and would come last on this poll if it was a black forum.
Also some of you (Shinning) still need to Google "impact"
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Actually she would still win this poll, by a much larger margin and Mariah would not be in third place if this were a "black forum," if we're being honest. You show your ignorance by implying you use Google, yet make such nonsensical statements such as this. Whitney is highly respected by the black community. You failed with that stale 1989 receipt suggesting that she was considered an Oreo. Back then, and to this day Whitney is heralded as one of, if not the most influential black female artists of the last 30 years. Not only did she influence her contemporaries , including the person in your avi, she also influenced a generation of black artists that came after her.
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Mariah / Whitney / janet / TLC
the rest are their offspring.
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Janet was responsible for JT, Beyoncé, Britney, Usher, Ciara, Tinashe, NSYNC, Jenny Lopez.....
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Whitney>Janet>Beyoncé>Mariah>Rihanna>>>Aaliyah in that order
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40 years ago was 1976, safe to say Aretha was past her prime years by then. This is between Janet and whitney really. And more inclined to say Whitney.
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TLC has more votes than Aaliyah
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Out of the ones in the poll, definitely Janet because she did an impact on a lot of things (sound innovation through the new jack swing; lyrics; dancing; music videos). After her, Whitney and Mariah for her niche but HUGE feats (Whitney for being the new generation of powerhouse's voice pillar and Mariah for the pop/hip hop mixing).
Out of everyone, Donna Summer for her sound being ahead of her time (esp Love To Love You Baby and I Feel Love), Diana for appearance/behavior and Patti/Aretha for voice.
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Whitney
Ciara
Beyonce
Janet
Diana Ross
Donna
Patti
Mariah
TLC
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probably whitney but i voted for beyonce cuz she has bigger touring numbers
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From the poll only, Janet then Whitney
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Beyoncé.. impact unmatched.
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Whitney, Janet, Mariah and Donna Summer
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Whitney imo. At least in popular culture/on the GP.
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