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Celeb News: Dr. Luke's rep drags Kesha in response to Instagram post
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Not this hereby wherein constitutional rights drag! OMFFFF!
This lawyer is just as cutthroats as Ciara's lawyer in her lawsuit! I LIVE!
*takes notes*
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Kesha's lawsuit said that she lied under duress but you tried it!
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
Kesha's lawsuit said that she lied under duress but you tried it!
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i don't think you understand how significant lying under oath is.
it ruins any credibility she has.
she already has no evidence of the rape whatsoever. then she's caught lying.
why would judges believe her? I definitely don't. her trackrecord in this case is extremely inconsistent and almost neurotic.
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Originally posted by kyogul
i don't think you understand how significant lying under oath is.
it ruins any credibility she has.
she already has no evidence of the rape whatsoever. then she's caught lying.
why would judges believe her? I definitely don't. her trackrecord in this case is extremely inconsistent and almost neurotic.
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This isn't gossip. The case isnt till next month honey. And judges take duress into account. I think you're the one that doesn't understand
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Originally posted by kyogul
please stop pretending that there is absolutely no way to prove a rape. It exists: it's called a rape kit. Something Kesha had 3 days to do in order to collect evidence. If it was such a traumatising experience and Dr. Luke is such a horrible person to her, why didn't she get a rape kit? It could have just been kept on files for the time being if she was too scared to report it to police immediately.
just because you cry rape doesn't mean it happened. sorry, tumblr.
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Because not all women are brave/strong enough to come forward after being raped. Jesus Christ.
A lot of posts in here are the REASON women are too scared to come forward.
Generation Z has become so desensitized to everything, they have no idea what an actual trauma is.
If a man abuses you, against your will, leaves you feeling helpless, defenseless, lord knows what else... the first thing in your mind is to run and get a rape kit? Not all women are like that. Not all rape victims are going to be thinking 100% logical after going through something like that.
This stigma of "well you didn't bother to get evidence as soon as you were raped, so we don't care/it didn't happen" needs to stop, it's nonsensical.
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
Kesha has barely said anything about it And never even mentioned lukes name so don't even try it. It's not slander if it's the truth so we'll see what evidence she has in May. I know you Luke supporters expect it right away but that's not how it works hun. And Luke's lawyers aren't being very professional if they have to resort to victim blaming over an instagram post
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It was an Instagram post... aka a public statement... made by a key person in the case. It was actually very professional of them to respond and their job is not to tiptoe around your feelings, it's to prove their client's innocence.
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Originally posted by Cupid
Because not all women are brave/strong enough to come forward after being raped. Jesus Christ.
A lot of posts in here are the REASON women are too scared to come forward.
Generation Z has become so desensitized to everything, they have no idea what an actual trauma is.
If a man abuses you, against your will, leaves you feeling helpless, defenseless, lord knows what else... the first thing in your mind is to run and get a rape kit? Not all women are like that. Not all rape victims are going to be thinking 100% logical after going through something like that.
This stigma of "well you didn't bother to get evidence as soon as you were raped, so we don't care/it didn't happen" needs to stop, it's nonsensical.
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And this PC-culture of "trust the victim" needs to end. In the eyes of the law, if you don't have any evidence, then you're ultimately disregarded. Kesha not only has no evidence (which she had three days to obtain), but she lied under oath. She was brave enough to accuse him of rape and pursue a case against him but she couldn't tell the truth under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute this evil, evil man that raped and dehumanised her?
People really need to stop getting emotional and consider what's actually going on here. Her patterns are very neurotic and her case against Luke is superficial, hence why his lawyers are clocking her left and right because they know she's full of ****.
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"entered into new contracts with Dr. Luke years after this ‘incident’ supposedly happened."
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Dr. Luke needs to do a sit down interview and get all this info out.
Right now only one side is talking and sadly, people are quick to rush to judgments.
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Originally posted by Toya
It was an Instagram post... aka a public statement... made by a key person in the case. It was actually very professional of them to respond and their job is not to tiptoe around your feelings, it's to prove their client's innocence.
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Their job is in the court room. Not to make statements to gossip sites. If they were so professional they'd stick to the case and not comb through keshas social media platforms. Kesha has every right to speak to her fans and thank them. Just like luke has the right to go on a Twitter rant
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Originally posted by kyogul
And this PC-culture of "trust the victim" needs to end. In the eyes of the law, if you don't have any evidence, then you're ultimately disregarded. Kesha not only has no evidence (which she had three days to obtain), but she lied under oath. She was brave enough to accuse him of rape and pursue a case against him but she couldn't tell the truth under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute this evil, evil man that raped and dehumanised her?
People really need to stop getting emotional and consider what's actually going on here. Her patterns are very neurotic and her case against Luke is superficial, hence why his lawyers are clocking her left and right because they know she's full of ****.
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Gah
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
Their job is in the court room. Not to make statements to gossip sites. If they were so professional they'd stick to the case and not comb through keshas social media platforms. Kesha has every right to speak to her fans and thank them. Just like luke has the right to go on a Twitter rant
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Don't be naive. Or act stupid. Let's NOT pretend that Kesha wasn't looking for publicity when she show to comment about an ongoing case on a public platform.
Atleast unlike her, Dr. Luke gives a straight answer/direct press release without using Instagram to do the shady work.
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Originally posted by kyogul
And this PC-culture of "trust the victim" needs to end. In the eyes of the law, if you don't have any evidence, then you're ultimately disregarded. Kesha not only has no evidence (which she had three days to obtain), but she lied under oath. She was brave enough to accuse him of rape and pursue a case against him but she couldn't tell the truth under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute this evil, evil man that raped and dehumanised her?
People really need to stop getting emotional and consider what's actually going on here. Her patterns are very neurotic and her case against Luke is superficial, hence why his lawyers are clocking her left and right because they know she's full of ****.
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And you weren't there with Kesha during those times and you have no idea why she did say those things under oath and probably never will. So your opinion is just that. But that doesn't stop you from making your judgement and throwing out sweeping and damaging statements stigmatising women for reacting to rape poorly. Think about your words before you post them, there is meaning behind them.
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Originally posted by kyogul
And this PC-culture of "trust the victim" needs to end. In the eyes of the law, if you don't have any evidence, then you're ultimately disregarded. Kesha not only has no evidence (which she had three days to obtain), but she lied under oath. She was brave enough to accuse him of rape and pursue a case against him but she couldn't tell the truth under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute this evil, evil man that raped and dehumanised her?
People really need to stop getting emotional and consider what's actually going on here. Her patterns are very neurotic and her case against Luke is superficial, hence why his lawyers are clocking her left and right because they know she's full of ****.
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I'm not going to take JUST the word of someone that a crime actually happened. Not when the life of someone else hangs in the balance as well.
But Kesha and her team knows she won't win in a Court of Law. It's the reason she decided to start talking about it so publicly, sadly, she's winning in the court of public opinion because people don't care about things like "evidence".
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I'm all for innocent until proven guilty.
It's really scary how some of you believe Kesha without any evidence to support your stance.
I hope y'all take a minute and realize how easy it is for a person to accuse you of rape. If it happens, y'all will be so happy that the law is "innocent until proven guilty".
Goodbye.
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Originally posted by kyogul
And this PC-culture of "trust the victim" needs to end. In the eyes of the law, if you don't have any evidence, then you're ultimately disregarded. Kesha not only has no evidence (which she had three days to obtain), but she lied under oath. She was brave enough to accuse him of rape and pursue a case against him but she couldn't tell the truth under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute this evil, evil man that raped and dehumanised her?
People really need to stop getting emotional and consider what's actually going on here. Her patterns are very neurotic and her case against Luke is superficial, hence why his lawyers are clocking her left and right because they know she's full of ****.
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I love how you ignore the fact that nobody that isn't directly involved in the case knows what evidence there is. She did go to the hospital. But rape kits aren't always conclusive. Maybe he wore a condom or cleaned up after he was done.
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Even if she did lie, it looks bad on Luke when his team attacks the alleged victim in this case.
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Originally posted by AccioMiley
Their job is in the court room. Not to make statements to gossip sites. If they were so professional they'd stick to the case and not comb through keshas social media platforms. Kesha has every right to speak to her fans and thank them. Just like luke has the right to go on a Twitter rant
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Oh my goodness.
Any statement that Kesha makes regarding this case in or out of the courtoom is relevant and something Luke's lawyers should be on top of. You just see the word "Instagram" and automatically think it's trivial. It's not when you're talking about a legal case.
I can't believe you have the audacity to tell people to not speak if they don't know about the American justice system and then you say stuff like this.
I'm not breaking this down anymore for you.
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Originally posted by Cupid
Because not all women are brave/strong enough to come forward after being raped. Jesus Christ.
A lot of posts in here are the REASON women are too scared to come forward.
Generation Z has become so desensitized to everything, they have no idea what an actual trauma is.
If a man abuses you, against your will, leaves you feeling helpless, defenseless, lord knows what else... the first thing in your mind is to run and get a rape kit? Not all women are like that. Not all rape victims are going to be thinking 100% logical after going through something like that.
This stigma of "well you didn't bother to get evidence as soon as you were raped, so we don't care/it didn't happen" needs to stop, it's nonsensical.
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There are very different cases and very, very different positions women are in. On top of that, people react different in extreme situations. That is all very true.
Personal experiences and examples aren't really contributing to find a consens what is right or what is wrong, when you lie and when don't, but several women in my family were brutally raped and beaten during the war in Bosnia in the 1990's. All of them with a muslim background. Of all ages, from age 16 to age 70. All of them went to court, gave medical proof and evidence that they have been raped. All of that despite the country being in the state of war back then.
And while Kesha might have been in a not so powerful position back at age 18, she clearly had no problems working with Luke and posing with him on pictures, going to award shows with him and such. And all of that over many years.
It all started to become really messy when she said: I was forced to sing Die Young, as if she didn't write it herself.
All I know is that if you have placed any women in my family next to her rapist to smile for a picture, she probably would have had a meltdown.
And look, the women in my family were completly powerless. They had no money, they had no support by the government in any way, even family support was luckluster. And yet all of them managed right after the rapes to find ways that their crimes won't end up being unpunished.
They went to court and had legit proof they were raped.
Kesha doesn't seem to have any proof and she is running around telling everybody she was raped and has nothing to back it up.
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Member Since: 11/22/2009
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Originally posted by Qwerty1234
"entered into new contracts with Dr. Luke years after this ‘incident’ supposedly happened."
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Dr. Luke needs to do a sit down interview and get all this info out.
Right now only one side is talking and sadly, people are quick to rush to judgments.
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She said he threatened her if anything came out about his abuse so maybe she did this to not go against him.
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Originally posted by Cupid
And you weren't there with Kesha during those times and you have no idea why she did say those things under oath and probably never will. So your opinion is just that. But that doesn't stop you from making your judgement and throwing out sweeping and damaging statements stigmatising women for reacting to rape poorly. Think about your words before you post them, there is meaning behind them.
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The judges don't have to be there either to know if it happened or not. That's why evidence is needed. They make judgments just like us posters are doing now based off of the available information. Other than Kesha's publicity-baiting wailing on Instagram and other mediums, she has no evidence, has been caught lying under oath (you guys seem to not understand how severe this is).
I'm tired of this hypersensitive talk. You pro-Kesha arguers keep discussing the emotional side; we all get that. But law and emotions don't mix. End of the day, Kesha has no evidence, and has been caught lying under oath. No amount of pathos will change this.
Let's review the facts here, because it's pointless to talk about anything else.
- Kesha was raped at the age of 18, but yet pursued music with him for several years and supposedly (according to an excerpt from another poster) engaged in multiple contracts afterwards with Luke.
Kesha ultimately avoided working with Luke in recent years because of how "scared" she was around him. But yet she spent all those years working with Luke...I wonder why.
- has no evidence. Regardless of her age she had 3 days to get a rape kit. This man is so so evil but she didn't seem motivated enough to make this man burn in hell.
- lied under oath, something that could be used in her favour to prosecute Dr. Luke. This man is so so evil but she didn't seem motivated enough to tell the truth to put this man in prison.
There is a very real possibility Kesha cried rape, especially when you look into her track record during this entire fiasco. It's inconsistent with a rape victim's behaviour and does not add up, especially with the intense disdain that she has expressed through media for Dr. Luke.
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