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Discussion: Your thoughts on the "Ground Zero Mosque"
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It's not ****ing opening on Sept. 11 2011!
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Member Since: 6/26/2010
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why do Americans always make a fuss about everything and anything? Not all Muslims are terrorists
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Originally posted by Patrick
It's not ****ing opening on Sept. 11 2011!
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can you confirm that please
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Originally posted by Patrick
It's not ****ing opening on Sept. 11 2011!
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Ok ok...I'm sorry
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Member Since: 8/19/2006
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Originally posted by Patrick
It's not ****ing opening on Sept. 11 2011!
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Yeah I can't find any creditable source that states its being opened on 9/11/2011, either. Can someone show me a reliable source for this? I'd like to see it because it WOULD make some difference in the whole issue.
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Originally posted by discostickk23
can you confirm that please
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http://mediamatters.org/research/201008100011
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Glenn Beck and Pamela Geller advanced the false claim that the New York City Islamic cultural center will open on September 11, 2011. In fact, both the executive director of one of the groups spearheading the project, as well as the Imam involved, have flatly denied that the center is slated to open on September 11.
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Project's Executive Director and Imam call the allegations "absolutely false"
Project's executive director called the allegation "absolutely false." In a conversation with Media Matters, Daisy Khan, executive director of the American Society for Muslim Advancement, one of the organizations spearheading the project, called the allegation "absolutely false." Khan also said, in a statement:
We are in the preliminary planning stages of the center and the timeline has yet to be determined..
We do agree with Ms. Palin and others that it is time to heal from the wounds of the tragic events of 9/11. We peace- loving Muslims have a responsibility to lead the effort of rebuilding Lower Manhattan. We envision a community center for multi-faith collaboration that is focused on promoting integration, tolerance of difference and community cohesion.
Imam Rauf reportedly "said the mosque will not open on the anniversary of 9/11." On May 26, Newsday reported that Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam involved in the project, "said the mosque will not open on the anniversary of 9/11, and that it will take between 18 months and three years before the money is raised to open the center at the old Burlington Coat Factory building on Park Place, which was damaged on 9/11. Rauf said the building will either be demolished, or renovated depending on a pending landmark status application."
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I just don't get why Americans (I am American too...just the 80 or so % of Americans opposing it) are against this. The mosque is 200 feet...I'm sorry METERS AT THAT away from ground zero, and the incident happened 8 years ago. I could understand if the same zygotes did another attack, but why have to punish ALL muslims for something crazy people did? It's so unfair, and shouldn't be allowed. I agree with Barack on this issue
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Let's have a discussion on why many Americans citizens oppose mosque being built anywhere.
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Originally posted by Beatfreak
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Thank you BeatFreak! Being an American automatically means you are the bad guy now. It's terrible. The 9/11 families are the VICTIMS in this situation, not the other way around. The Muslims are not the victims because they can easily move the location, yet they refuse to. Anyone who is going to bad mouth Americans is a complete IGNORANT
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Originally posted by discostickk23
Thank you BeatFreak! Being an American automatically means you are the bad guy now. It's terrible. The 9/11 families are the VICTIMS in this situation, not the other way around. The Muslims are not the victims because they can easily move the location, yet they refuse to. Anyone who is going to bad mouth Americans is a complete IGNORANT
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What are you talking about. The muslims ARE THE VICTIMS...just because radicalists attacked the WTC and TT's and they just happened to be muslim, that means that every muslim is a victim in this case. They can't build what they want because of these ignorant americans ( the 80% who oppose) are still blaming innocents for nothing. LOOK
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The Muslims are not the victims. Nobody considers the THOUSANDS of people who died that day. Its really like it's nothing. Can you please tell why they refuse to change the location? There are so many vacant properties all over Manhattan...If they had any respect or consideration for the ACTUAL victims, they would simply change the location of the center.
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Read this please:
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The proposed name? Cordova House:
Cordova is a city in South Spain. Muslims armies invaded Spain in 711
and conquered the country, massacring countless people. Then they
converted the biggest church in Cordova into a mosque and made
...it Islam's illustrious center of power in West Europe.
Building mosques over churches, synagogues and temples of the
conquered people was started by Muhammad, who converted the Ka'ba temple
of the Arabs in Mecca into an Islamic mosque.
Muslims have been doing the same ever since.
Numerous Hindu
temples, churches, synagogues, Parthenon, and Zoroastrian temples were
converted into mosques. The objective is twofold: To humiliate the
defeated people and to establish the supremacy of Islam.
The mosque over the temple of Solomon in Jerusalem is one example.
When Muslims conquered the Byzantine Empire they converted the biggest
church in Christian empire into a mosque. In India, over 2,000 mosques
stand on the site of destroyed Hindu temples.
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Member Since: 11/13/2009
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Originally posted by discostickk23
The Muslims are not the victims. Nobody considers the THOUSANDS of people who died that day. Its really like it's nothing. Can you please tell why they refuse to change the location? There are so many vacant properties all over Manhattan...If they had any respect or consideration for the ACTUAL victims, they would simply change the location of the center.
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Please stop now, you are basically blaming an entire race/ religion of people for something terrorists did.
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Originally posted by Music
Please stop now, you are basically blaming an entire race/ religion of people for something terrorists did.
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I'm not going to stop. I'm just having some ****ing respect for the people who died and I will continue to have respect.
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Originally posted by Music
Please stop now, you are basically blaming an entire race/ religion of people for something terrorists did.
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I believe that the mosque shouldn't be built, but all the ignorance it pissing me off. If we, being the US, is gonna more forwards. We are going to have to let go of the past.
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Originally posted by discostickk23
The Muslims are not the victims. Nobody considers the THOUSANDS of people who died that day. Its really like it's nothing. Can you please tell why they refuse to change the location? There are so many vacant properties all over Manhattan...If they had any respect or consideration for the ACTUAL victims, they would simply change the location of the center.
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The people who want to build it there is trying to make a point. The point is that it's time for Americans to forgive innocent muslims and makeup. This mosque is a great way to get that point accross, it's not the muslims building the mosque there that are the enemies, the radicalists who started 9/11 are the enemies, but why are the muslims being reprimanded?
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Originally posted by DrogoBrush
I believe that the mosque shouldn't be built, but all the ignorance it pissing me off. If we, being the US, is gonna more forwards. We are going to have to let go of the past.
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That's really such a TERRIBLE thing to say. 9/11 will be a day that will live on in American history forever and we should NEVER forget all the people who died. The purpose of Ground Zero is to REMEMBER, not to FORGET.
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Originally posted by discostickk23
That's really such a TERRIBLE thing to say. 9/11 will be a day that will live on in American history forever and we should NEVER forget all the people who died. The purpose of Ground Zero is to REMEMBER, not to FORGET.
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Letting go as in move on, not forget. We can't keep living in the past, or this world would be different.
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