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Celeb News: Caitlyn Jenner: ''Maybe He Didn't Deserve to Be Gone''
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If she changes back... it will be the biggest step-back for the Transgenderd community / movement and acceptance of trans people
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$10 says she reverts the transition in the next 5 years
Given her lack of interest in LGBT issues and opinion that being a woman is all about dressing up, it sounds like she should have just come out as a cross-dresser.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned yet --
Caitlyn has spent all her life adhering it a specific identity, and she tossed it aside very late in her life. Neuroplasticity wanes with age, and all the behaviors, attitudes, etc. to which she subscribed for 65+ years -- genuinely or otherwise -- have crystalized. I wouldn't be surprised if that has something to do with the mixed feelings she has about her transition.
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she's just confused and a bit self hating I guess
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Originally posted by Heroine
I think it's normal to miss the identity you had for most of your life. This woman is a mess but her emotions are valid no matter what.
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Pretty much. She isn't someone I would want to be friends with but I try to be empathetic of her situation and what she's going through.
Besides, that clip was probably taken out of context for the sake of adding drama to the trailer. I would say she's referring to how her family says that now that Bruce is gone she's forsaken them and blocked them out of her life.
Also she isn't "changing back." She is a woman. She doesn't want to be a man.
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Well at least S2 looks better than S1
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Originally posted by Cherry
$10 says she reverts the transition in the next 5 years
Given her lack of interest in LGBT issues and opinion that being a woman is all about dressing up, it sounds like she should have just come out as a cross-dresser.
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Basically!!
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Why does she act like she died and was reborn? She's always been this person.
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Remember, 1 out 3 men who has had sex changes regret doing so and wish they could have gone back. I forgot where I got the article from, but there's an actual study that does state 30% "regret" rate.
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In which case, how isn't this representative of what could happen to trans individuals? This hate bandwagon against her is ridiculous. It's so stupid and short-sighted to look for a Rosa Parks all the time, aka the perfect media character to champion a cause. People have faults. And I feel like it's almost subtly damaging to movements when they avoid cherry-picking people who are human
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I won't critice her because I don't know what it feels to make such a huge change and she must have those regrets thoughts since he was Bruce most of her life. We have no place to judge her.
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WAIT! There will actually be a season two!!?
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Originally posted by Rihinvention
This woman is honestly so ****ed up in the head and shouldn't be the face of the trans rights movement.
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I don't really think she asked to be, people made her. I mean look at who Bruce was, and then look at who Caitlyn is, was never going to align beautifully.
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Nope.
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Originally posted by ABEL-o-matic
Remember, 1 out 3 men who has had sex changes regret doing so and wish they could have gone back. I forgot where I got the article from, but there's an actual study that does state 30% "regret" rate.
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Originally posted by BadBitches
I'm so over her. The majority of transexuals revert back to their birth gender though...
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No.
Myths About Transition Regrets:
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3. Regret is common.
Surgical regret is actually very uncommon. Virtually every modern study puts it below 4 percent, and most estimate it to be between 1 and 2 percent (Cohen-Kettenis & Pfafflin 2003, Kuiper & Cohen-Kettenis 1998, Pfafflin & Junge 1998, Smith 2005, Dhejne 2014). In some other recent longitudinal studies, none of the subjects expressed regret over medically transitioning (Krege et al. 2001, De Cuypere et al. 2006).
These findings make sense given the consistent findings that access to medical care improves quality of life along many axes, including sexual functioning, self-esteem, body image, socioeconomic adjustment, family life, relationships, psychological status and general life satisfaction. This is supported by the numerous studies (Murad 2010, De Cuypere 2006, Kuiper 1988, Gorton 2011, Clements-Nolle 2006) that also consistently show that access to GCS reduces suicidality by a factor of three to six (between 67 percent and 84 percent).
4. But what about the people who had regrets?
Any surgery comes with a risk of regret. It just happens that the risk of regret for GCS is actually much lower than for many other surgeries. Indeed, the regret rate for GCS compares favorably with gastric banding.
When asked about regrets, only 2 percent of respondents in a survey of transgender people in the UK had major regrets regarding the physical changes they had made, compared with 65 percent of non-transgender people in the UK who have had plastic surgery.
Risk factors for negative outcomes often mentioned in studies are lack of support from the patient's family, poor social support, late-life transitions, severe psychopathology, unfavorable physical appearance, and poor surgical result (Cohen-Kettenis 2003, Lawrence 2003, Landen 1998, Smith 2005). Lawrence (2003) concluded that results of surgery may be more important for global outcome than preoperative factors. As techniques have been perfected, the risk of long-term complications has fallen to less than 1 percent in male-to-female patients (Perovic 2000, Jarolím 2009, Wu 2009). This follows the pattern of regret rates falling as well.
People who regret physically transitioning are outliers, not the norm.
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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/brynn-...b_6160626.html
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Originally posted by Mike91
The hype's gone and she's over it now?
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this tbh
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It's not like she said she wanted to transition back. I think it's normal to have moments of regret.
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Originally posted by mosspillows
maybe Caitlyn needs to stop trying to be a stereotype of a woman and just be a ****ing person
You don't have to stop playing golf and **** just because you transition
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Lol I've been feeling this way for awhile now. I think she's doing what the Kardashians / PR people want her to do to be glam and passing, but maybe she's also living out her ultra fem fantasy in her awkward, shallow way.
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Originally posted by ShouldersSideways
Pretty much. She isn't someone I would want to be friends with but I try to be empathetic of her situation and what she's going through.
Besides, that clip was probably taken out of context for the sake of adding drama to the trailer. I would say she's referring to how her family says that now that Bruce is gone she's forsaken them and blocked them out of her life.
Also she isn't "changing back." She is a woman. She doesn't want to be a man.
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This.
Oh my god can you all chill out? You're doing the most, you do realise this was obviously taken out of contest PURELY for the dramatic nature of the trailer?
Jesus, maybe see the full content and context before jumping on the 'she's going to transition back to a man' bandwagon
If even a small part of anybody here truly believes he will go back to being a man then you are very deluded
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let me not share my thoughts
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