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Discussion: Why's no one trying to be iconic anymore?
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Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Not naming names, but I 100% agree and it's kind of like the oldies Top 40 era of like the 50s/60s when pop music was bland and forgettable and everyone was the same. It led to people leaving the format in droves for other outlets, and I could absolutely see that happening again. That's what happens when you only cater to the very youngest portion of your audience. Everyone else will find edgier, more mature, creative and exciting artists elsewhere.
Solution: with newer artists, focus more on those like Tove Lo and Tinashe.
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"i have nothing to prove anymore..."
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Member Since: 8/19/2013
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Originally posted by ryanpittman97
In order to be iconic you have to controversial (Miley's VMA's performance) and that turns the public off.
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Not really. That's just what everything thinks because of Madonna.
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Because every decade, generation has their own priorities, preferences,...
The 80s was when people started defining themselves, looking good was priority #1, ad men started selling designer brands, sun glasses,... and the second British invasion brought short films as music videos to the US. When MTV started, the only available music videos were British and the GP called the radio stations to request the songs they have heard on MTV. When the American music industry was about to be overran, Madonna and MJ adopted the music video, had to fight for survival and became bigger with high budget videos (way above the budgets the British artists had).
Since the Britney's generation backlash brought alternative (hardcore punk, metal,...) to the mainstream in early/mid 2000s, this generation artists have to stay away from the pop girls from the past. - Britney danced => no dancing
- scantily clad girls shaking ass, belly,... on MTV => girls keeping their clothes on
- manufactured by labels => singer-songwriters, writing their own songs
- stars living in another world singing about the riches, parties,... far away from the commoners => relatable
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It doesn't exist, especially not in the context that atrl likes to categorise it (including the OP).
If you can't use a word properly, don't use it at all.
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Because none of them are capable of it and they know it
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Ari tried with ha ponytail but y'all dragged...
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Originally posted by Mezter
Ari tried with ha ponytail but y'all dragged...
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how do you become an icon with dat
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ATRL is so extra with the word iconic. No one in real life really cares about these kind of things. People don't want weird and over the top. They don't want over singing and bizarre outfits. It's almost 2016. The music scene has evolved.
Look at the top selling artists: Adele and Taylor. Both are as normal as they come. They don't have big outfits, they don't dance & they aren't a mess to get media attention.
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Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Britney, Kesha, Beyonce, and Nicki are the main "pop" girls. Until they return, the music industry won't be the same.
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Member Since: 11/13/2009
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Originally posted by deadautumncrow
Gaga, Katy, Rihanna, Britney, Kesha, Beyonce, and Nicki are the main "pop" girls. Until they return, the music industry won't be the same.
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I agree. Pop radio is so dull without them. Ellie is holding down the fort for the ladies
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Member Since: 4/30/2012
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Originally posted by liberalmusiclover
Some artists know their lane. Thank GOD we have music AND fashion ICON Rihanna.
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ANTI coming to save the music industry.
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What are u talking about?? It doesn't work that way.
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Originally posted by Buddy
I agree with you on Nick in terms of his voice, actually. But that is associated with The Jonas Brothers, not Nick. It doesn't seem like he knows/knew the concept of iconic, though. Most of the time things become iconic accidentally. What I'm discussing is how and why know one seems to know how or care about making something iconic when it's really simple
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What is associated with the Jonas Brothers? His voice or the fashion they wore?
I think Nick probly knows what iconic is but he doesn't really care. He knows he has already made his footprint with his musical talent and his donation to charities/advocation for diabetes. I guess in the end when you think about it that's all that really matters. He may not be changing the world with his music as it stands right now but he has inspired plenty of people over the years and he's no longer flopping like he was when they had their comeback.
It would be nice to see more iconic moments but we can't expect it and that's what memories are for. Plus if you think about it do we really want more people to be iconic? Personally in a way it might suck for celebrities to do iconic things on a regular basis because then they would no longer seem like human beings anymore which they obviously are. I think maybe that's why the GP is finding theatrics old. They want people to relate to.
Like Nick, maybe that's all the artists care about : making plenty of money and having fun doing what they want to do. They're not worried about being legends because it's just not worth the effort to them. Also if everyone tried to be iconic, maybe no one would be iconic.
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-I blame 2000s kids kiii.
-The pop girls WOW mysterious aura is gone (Thanks Social Media)?.
-Unidimensional bland Teen Stars:
-The GP Is not here for the Creators Madonna-Mariah-Whitney-Cher-Kylie (Ageism)
- Britney-Xtina-Shak-Avril-Pink-Bee-Jlo-Fergie-Nelly (lazy +focused on familiar stuff+creative peak reached?)
-Katy-Riri-Gaga-Kesha(confused creatively)
-The Indie revolution and adele changed it all. The GP Is not here anymore for Over The Top Visuals+Uptempos+Extravaganzza+Poppy stuff+The typical pop formula theyre here for minimal,organic,simple,cheap,pseudo-artsy-straight stuff.
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Quote:
Originally posted by musicgirl224
It's just a reflection of the current state the industry is in. Labels have been signing semi-good looking kids with absolutely no musical talent because they're popular on social media. What they don't understand, is social media followers are NOT a buying fan base. How come Ariana Grande has like 293838833828 followers and can't even go platinum in the US? Even with all those hits? How come Austin Mahone could get like 10 million views on his covers yet he's the definition of a flop? How come Shawn Mendes has like a massive array of fan girls following him on vine, YouTube, etc. and his album hasn't even sold 200k?? Selena Gomez and Demi Lovato are the most famous Disney girls at this point (behind Miley Cyrus obviously) and have MILLIONS upon MILLIONS following them on the Internet. Yet, their music flops every time.
The people that the industry are pushing are the absolute definition of mediocre. I personally think it's a HUGE reason why sales have dropped. The new "artists" are merely half-assed manufactured teenagers or young 20 somethings that don't have any star power or talent.
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Come through with the ****ing tea!
Nobody wants to spend money on buying albums from Instagram/Vine artists who make ****** music for quick cash. The music industry needs to be revamped.
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tbh everyone's trying desperately to create something "iconic" and memorable, and that's the problem.
Most iconic moments came effortlessly.
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Mess at people considering Miley as iconic . The bar has truly reached the lowest.
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Member Since: 9/1/2013
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because most of them are pretty basic, good looks, good songs, nothing else.
you need that little special extra to become iconic.
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Member Since: 9/28/2008
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They're just not talented. Like P!nk who can do aerial stunts, Beyonce who can sing circles and dance, Britney in her hey days, Xtina and her voice. None of the current crop can do that.
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